"Countdown" canon? / "Countdown" Shotdown.
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Re: "Countdown" Shotdown.(spoilers for the comic in my post)
DC Comics' "The Origin of Saavik" two-parter led directly into their ST III comic adaptation. Through the course of the story, they even gradually tilted Saavik's eyebrows, from Alley brows to Curtis brows! The comics weren't stamped with "official", but then all licensed ST tie-ins are approved by the copyright owner, and that's as official as you can get. Unofficial tie-ins are illegal fanfic.
DC Comics also did some issues that set up ST IV: showing Janice Rand working for Admiral Cartwight at Starfleet HQ, Spock's restored memory revert to a blank slate, and Styles successding in getting Excelsior back from Kirk. These comics weren't stamped with "official", but they certainly set up an acceptable status quo, restoring events for ST IV.
In Marvel/Paramount Comics' and Pocket Books' "Star Trek vs X-Men" materials, the Enterprise-E didn't time travel successfully at the end of "First Contact", and had two encounters with the X-Men first!
The official novelization of "Nemesis" put Wesley Crusher onto USS Titan, developing a dropped scene from the movie. The nine-part "A Time..." novel series was able to ignore thar scene, because it wasn't canonical and didn't suit their plans for the trainee Traveler.
DC Comics' "The Origin of Saavik" two-parter led directly into their ST III comic adaptation. Through the course of the story, they even gradually tilted Saavik's eyebrows, from Alley brows to Curtis brows! The comics weren't stamped with "official", but then all licensed ST tie-ins are approved by the copyright owner, and that's as official as you can get. Unofficial tie-ins are illegal fanfic.
DC Comics also did some issues that set up ST IV: showing Janice Rand working for Admiral Cartwight at Starfleet HQ, Spock's restored memory revert to a blank slate, and Styles successding in getting Excelsior back from Kirk. These comics weren't stamped with "official", but they certainly set up an acceptable status quo, restoring events for ST IV.
In Marvel/Paramount Comics' and Pocket Books' "Star Trek vs X-Men" materials, the Enterprise-E didn't time travel successfully at the end of "First Contact", and had two encounters with the X-Men first!
The official novelization of "Nemesis" put Wesley Crusher onto USS Titan, developing a dropped scene from the movie. The nine-part "A Time..." novel series was able to ignore thar scene, because it wasn't canonical and didn't suit their plans for the trainee Traveler.
Mainly that it seems there is no former friendship between Nero and 24th century Spock.
And the Narada easily destroys several 24th century Klingon ships but, minutes later, can't destroy the lone 23rd century Kelvin.
Does the film really say there's no former friendship between Spock and Nero? Or is there just none impied? And was there really much more than a brief working relationship in the comic anyway?
As for the Kllingons, I'd say the Narada took some damage going through the black hole (and this would be logical, considering this black hole clearly must have somehow extinguished the Hobus supernova), and this damage affected its weapons. This would seem to be supported by the fact that it destroys that Federation task force above Vulcan later in the film (having repaired the Narada over the preceding 25 years). Though I can't entirely remember how the confrontation with the Kelvin played out.
As for the Kllingons, I'd say the Narada took some damage going through the black hole (and this would be logical, considering this black hole clearly must have somehow extinguished the Hobus supernova), and this damage affected its weapons. This would seem to be supported by the fact that it destroys that Federation task force above Vulcan later in the film (having repaired the Narada over the preceding 25 years). Though I can't entirely remember how the confrontation with the Kelvin played out.
Nope, but the way Spock says his name in the movie, it was as if he'd only just learned it.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Re: "Countdown" Shotdown.(spoilers for the comic in my post)
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No, that would be the opposite. If any such different interpretations were giving by actors to characters on screen, writing the comic after the movie was show would allow the comic to incorporate these into it; and thus have no discrepancy.
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No, that would be the opposite. If any such different interpretations were giving by actors to characters on screen, writing the comic after the movie was show would allow the comic to incorporate these into it; and thus have no discrepancy.
Re: "Countdown" Shotdown.(spoilers for the comic in my post)
The thing about this is, the companion comics/books didn't make up so much of the plot and backstory in the way Countdown does.
Re: "Countdown" Shotdown.(spoilers for the comic in my post)
Actually, it comes as early as "Errand of Mercy," wherein Kirk says that the Federation Council has declared war upon the Klingon Empire -- something a mere intergovernmental organization cannot do.
I don't think we can take anything from "Journey to Babel" as an indicator of what things are usually like. "Journey to Babel" makes it pretty clear that the Federation is on the brink of civil war over the issue of admitting Coridan as a Member world; as such, the situation doesn't really give us any useful information about the normal legalities of how the Federation functions. Indeed, one of the things that seems to fuel the disagreement is that apparently Tellar has claimed Coridan as part of their internal territory.
If we were to draw a parallel to real history, the State of Ohio and the Territory of Michigan both once claimed the Toledo strip and even raised militias that very nearly ended up fighting over it. Eventually the US Congress and President Andrew Jackson were able to convince Michigan to cede the Strip to Ohio in return for having claim to the Upper Peninsula and statehood (which the Ohio Delegation had been able to block in Congress). None of this means that the United States was not a state in its own right -- it means that it was relatively weak at the time, and only later came to be able to really enforce federal law upon the states.
We can probably infer from this that one of the ongoing early conflicts in Federation history was the distribution of power, both de jure and de facto, between the Federation and Member governments. Probably the Babel Conference's pro-admission outcome (established in TNG's "Sarek") helped get momentum for the Federation side.
Actually, it comes as early as "Errand of Mercy," wherein Kirk says that the Federation Council has declared war upon the Klingon Empire -- something a mere intergovernmental organization cannot do.
I don't think we can take anything from "Journey to Babel" as an indicator of what things are usually like. "Journey to Babel" makes it pretty clear that the Federation is on the brink of civil war over the issue of admitting Coridan as a Member world; as such, the situation doesn't really give us any useful information about the normal legalities of how the Federation functions. Indeed, one of the things that seems to fuel the disagreement is that apparently Tellar has claimed Coridan as part of their internal territory.
If we were to draw a parallel to real history, the State of Ohio and the Territory of Michigan both once claimed the Toledo strip and even raised militias that very nearly ended up fighting over it. Eventually the US Congress and President Andrew Jackson were able to convince Michigan to cede the Strip to Ohio in return for having claim to the Upper Peninsula and statehood (which the Ohio Delegation had been able to block in Congress). None of this means that the United States was not a state in its own right -- it means that it was relatively weak at the time, and only later came to be able to really enforce federal law upon the states.
We can probably infer from this that one of the ongoing early conflicts in Federation history was the distribution of power, both de jure and de facto, between the Federation and Member governments. Probably the Babel Conference's pro-admission outcome (established in TNG's "Sarek") helped get momentum for the Federation side.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Re: "Countdown" Shotdown.(spoilers for the comic in my post)
Again; only by today's governments. Obviously, the Federation is different, as it is an organization in the making with growing pains along the way. In some ways it's further along than an EU, in others less, in again others and most cases it's more like the UN, and yet it in other cases it isn't.
As "Errand of Mercy" is before "Journey to Babel" where the Federation is very heavily depicted as a UN-like structure, at the time of "Errand to Mercy" it must be like that as well.
Huh? Civil War? How and where? Because I can't think of anything remotely looking like a civil war, unless you talk about Starfleet protecting Corridan from Tellar, but that doesn't exactly seem like Civil War to me; you'd have at least two clear sides, not one prick and the rest protecting another from the prick.
Again; only by today's governments. Obviously, the Federation is different, as it is an organization in the making with growing pains along the way. In some ways it's further along than an EU, in others less, in again others and most cases it's more like the UN, and yet it in other cases it isn't.
As "Errand of Mercy" is before "Journey to Babel" where the Federation is very heavily depicted as a UN-like structure, at the time of "Errand to Mercy" it must be like that as well.
Huh? Civil War? How and where? Because I can't think of anything remotely looking like a civil war, unless you talk about Starfleet protecting Corridan from Tellar, but that doesn't exactly seem like Civil War to me; you'd have at least two clear sides, not one prick and the rest protecting another from the prick.
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