Could we as fan send a open letter to CBS executive to make Star Trek better

[STEPhon IT]

Offended? No.

I don't care if people don't like it. But, the opinion that Discovery is removing TOS from canon is an absurd statement at best. And, I'm sorry but I don't see it as disrespectful either. I find GR's POV more disrespectful than Kurtzman to TOS, treating Klingons as though they always were that way.

Regardless, nothing affects canon. TOS exists. Just like the command uniforms were green. They didn't stop just because of what people said.

What you find absurd doesn't trump my opinion, I am judging from from what I've seen. DISCO and PIKE are supposedly prequels to TOS and there's nothing there which would remotely transition to the world I love. You don't find these revamps disrespectful and that's fine, but I do.

Disagreement ≠ trolling.

If that's your response to what I wrote then you need to re-read my statements carefully.

 

[Qonundrum]

Art is a reflection of the culture in which it is done.

Art is subjective. Is culture subjective? Do you make art to expand culture or to make money or to waste time or to do one or more of those three possibilities, and/or others?

Also, did Captain Picard also once not make a comment about being judged by their culture's entertainment? Oh wait, that was Mirasta Yale... That was a fun little exchange between her, Picard and Troi...

 

[fireproof78]

All change in general or only certain types of change?

Depends on the person, but generally all changes cause a bit of anxiety, or fear.

 

[Qonundrum]

Give it another twenty years and Kurtzmann will be knighted and sainted and the new kid on the block sentenced to the Tower! Off with his/her head/their head!

(Nothing new under the sun, cloud, moon or stars, absolutely nothing!)

And 20 more and they'll all do to him what's happened to Berman, which is what happened to Roddenberry...

Just all to different extents.

Heck, there's a ton to deliberately pile on 21st century Trek so far and even I have acknowledged a few good scenes. Doesn't mean there still isn't a lot of generic and/or superficial schlock that oddly elevates even the most crass elements of TNG/S01. IMHO, YMMV.

 

[Nyotarules]

And I will continue to express it and for some who loves trolling me won't stop me from championing its return.

There are no trolls on this thread, unless you count the person who started this post and has not contributed since he created this topic? He asked a question and is getting multiple answers, you don't have to agree with all the responses that does not make these responses trolls.

 

[fireproof78]

What you find absurd doesn't trump my opinion, I am judging from from what I've seen. DISCO and PIKE are supposedly prequels to TOS and there's nothing there which would remotely transition to the world I love. You don't find these revamps disrespectful and that's fine, but I do.

What would you love?

If that's your response to what I wrote then you need to re-read my statements carefully.

Very well. Done.

 

[STEPhon IT]

There are no trolls on this thread, unless you count the person who started this post and has not contributed since he created this topic? He asked a question and is getting multiple answers, you don't have to agree with all the responses that does not make these responses trolls.

WHAT???
This was a response to fireproof78, not Nyotarules, because this is not the 1st time he's made sarcastic responses to what I've previously written on topics which don't favor what he loves.

It's not a matter of love. It's a matter of what is available for me to consume. Even if I hated Discovery that doesn't eliminate my love of TOS.

Also, GR was the first to discard TOS for visuals so with his rationale around Klingons, so it is neither new nor offensive to me. If I ignore DISCO then I still enjoy TOS and vice versa.

My observation is that too much emphasis is being put on canon and not enough on enjoyment.

But you seem to be offended when I'm offended by these revamp interpretations. Visual mediums will always have such disparities in tastes, and I'm more than happy to ignore DISCO as well as PIKE. If I happen to watch it I will give my thoughts on it and compare it to what I know; I wish something could be worked out where there was some respect to what was done in TOS. It can be seen as an alternate universe and fans who love these things? Go for it but don't be mad because other fans don't see it as such and show sarcasm because it doesn't fit your so-called enjoyment to them. I don't troll the threads who love these horrible things but you and some others believe its okay to troll where they're threads that don't like your enjoyment of these CBS ALL ACCESS masterpieces. You can carry on but it won't stop people from expressing their disappointment of your series of enjoyment.

What would you love?

I would love an organic transition to TOS, costumes uniforms, sets, Matt Jefferies ship designs, an approach where a viewer can see they're will soon enter that world of Kirk and Spock. It's hard to even go there when there's episodes where the Talosians appear stylistically different from "The Cage", uniforms are off model to TOS, sets are stylistically wrong.

 

[fireproof78]

Go for it but don't be mad because other fans don't see it as such and show sarcasm because it doesn't fit your so-called enjoyment to them. I don't troll the threads who love these horrible things but you and some others believe its okay to troll where they're threads that don't like your enjoyment of these CBS ALL ACCESS masterpieces. You can carry on but it won't stop people from expressing their disappointment of your series of enjoyment.

Never did. At this point in time its agree to disagree since I make sarcastic comments all the time and now it is point of contention which doesn't make for good dialog.

LLAP.

 

[Nyotarules]

WHAT???
This was a response to fireproof78, not Nyotarules, because this is not the 1st time he's made sarcastic responses to what I've previously written on topics which don't favor what he loves.



But you seem to be offended when I'm offended by these revamp interpretations. Visual mediums will always have such disparities in tastes, and I'm more than happy to ignore DISCO as well as PIKE. If I happen to watch it I will give my thoughts on it and compare it to what I know; I wish something could be worked out where there was some respect to what was done in TOS. It can be seen as an alternate universe and fans who love these things? Go for it but don't be mad because other fans don't see it as such and show sarcasm because it doesn't fit your so-called enjoyment to them. I don't troll the threads who love these horrible things but you and some others believe its okay to troll where they're threads that don't like your enjoyment of these CBS ALL ACCESS masterpieces. You can carry on but it won't stop people from expressing their disappointment of your series of enjoyment.



I would love an organic transition to TOS, costumes uniforms, sets, Matt Jefferies ship designs, an approach where a viewer can see they're will soon enter that world of Kirk and Spock. It's hard to even go there when there's episodes where the Talosians appear stylistically different from "The Cage", uniforms are off model to TOS, sets are stylistically wrong.

If you believe you are being trolled, report it.

 

[fireproof78]

I would love an organic transition to TOS, costumes uniforms, sets, Matt Jefferies ship designs, an approach where a viewer can see they're will soon enter that world of Kirk and Spock. It's hard to even go there when there's episodes where the Talosians appear stylistically different from "The Cage", uniforms are off model to TOS, sets are stylistically wrong.

That's fair. I would support that.

 

[STEPhon IT]

If you believe you are being trolled, report it.

Nah, I'd rather discuss it with the person my statement were directed to and not you.

 

[Nyotarules]

Nah, I'd rather discuss it with the person my statement were directed to and not you.

Fine, then leave accusations of trolling out of it.

 

[STEPhon IT]

That's fair. I would support that.

That's all I'm saying, I think a transition would be appropriate because it's a prequel and if I was going to write an open letter to CBS I would point out the benefits of adding these elements. Star Trek is fun and TOS has so much for these new showrunners to grab and do it well with a great budget. The Open letter doesn't have to be negative but show their full support but add things where they can improve.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Fine, then leave accusations of trolling out of it.

???

 

[fireproof78]

That's all I'm saying, I think a transition would be appropriate because it's a prequel and if I was going to write an open letter to CBS I would point out the benefits of adding these elements. Star Trek is fun and TOS has so much for these new showrunners to grab and do it well with a great budget. The Open letter doesn't have to be negative but show their full support but add things where they can improve.

I agree with that up to a certain point. Part of TOS' charm was the era it was made in-little was done in that sort of vein, and they had to be very creative in terms of props and accessories.

Star Trek, in my opinion, is at its best when it is willing to embrace the era in which it is made (like the 60s and TOS) to showcase humanity as it is today. And, as much as I love the TOS aesthetic (gold, blue and red still are my favorite uniforms, both TOS and Kelvin) artists are going to interpret future humanity differently from this point going forward.

I don't know. It just feels like sticking with TOS aesthetic is saying that Trek's best days are behind it and that's not the view I want.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I don't want that either but I rather them not doing retcon exercises and flex their muscles by doing the best trek possible. For example: They can have their stuff in TOS world but use their imaginations away from Kirk Spock or Pike; the DISCO Pike character is a different character, and should've been a new titled one without what we know from THE CAGE. Romijn Number One is not Majel Roddenberry's character so again give her a new name, but since the showrunners are going there, they should just take their ship far away from what we know and go far away from it but... Spock will now have a new revamped history and I don't know if that will jibe with what's established. You know Michael Burnham may actually create a pocket universe where Pike and Co could play in and start a whole new dimension of stories.

As for the Gold uniform thing, TOS never established Kirk's duty uniform was a particular color, that nonsense came from DS9 where explanations became the norm for Fans turning pro. Its Green. Kirk's tunics and dress uniform were all green, it never made sense for his duty uniform to be gold or better yet mustered in the standard version.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't want that either but I rather them not doing retcon exercises and flex their muscles by doing the best trek possible.

I don't mind the retcon but I do want them to move away from all the nostalgia stuff.

As for the Gold uniform thing, TOS never established Kirk's duty uniform was a particular color, that nonsense came from DS9 where explanations became the norm for Fans turning pro. Its Green. Kirk's tunics and dress uniform were all green, it never made sense for his duty uniform to be gold or better yet mustered in the standard version.

I don't find the color as important but that's a fair observation.

 

[NCC-73515]

And members should accept its no longer 1966 anymore, the world has changed, TV production has changed and Gene's vision was never a divine mandate.
Why wear rose coloured glasses about a fifty year old TV show?

It was also not 1966 anymore in 1996 or 2005, but they still kept TOS consistent.

Nah, I'd rather discuss it with the person my statement were directed to and not you.

Send a PM

 

[1001001]

WHAT???
This was a response to fireproof78, not Nyotarules, because this is not the 1st time he's made sarcastic responses to what I've previously written on topics which don't favor what he loves.



But you seem to be offended when I'm offended by these revamp interpretations. Visual mediums will always have such disparities in tastes, and I'm more than happy to ignore DISCO as well as PIKE. If I happen to watch it I will give my thoughts on it and compare it to what I know; I wish something could be worked out where there was some respect to what was done in TOS. It can be seen as an alternate universe and fans who love these things? Go for it but don't be mad because other fans don't see it as such and show sarcasm because it doesn't fit your so-called enjoyment to them. I don't troll the threads who love these horrible things but you and some others believe its okay to troll where they're threads that don't like your enjoyment of these CBS ALL ACCESS masterpieces. You can carry on but it won't stop people from expressing their disappointment of your series of enjoyment.



I would love an organic transition to TOS, costumes uniforms, sets, Matt Jefferies ship designs, an approach where a viewer can see they're will soon enter that world of Kirk and Spock. It's hard to even go there when there's episodes where the Talosians appear stylistically different from "The Cage", uniforms are off model to TOS, sets are stylistically wrong.

@Nyotarules told you to drop the trolling accusations because that is trolling. And since she's a moderator here she has every right and responsibility to intervene.

The only one causing a problem here is you. Knock it off with the victim complex. And the bold shouting.

 

[Soong-type Android]

You know Michael Burnham may actually create a pocket universe where Pike and Co could play in and start a whole new dimension of stories.

They missed a trick to use

Spoiler

Discovery being sent into the future

as an excuse to do that actually. Or they could have used it to erase Discovery from the timeline entirely and to explain why no one remembers the spore drive.