Correct title??

[Gil T.Azell]

My Brothers granddaughter is a __________-niece to me?
I was just wondering what the correct term is?
I'm presuming that I'm her great Uncle Bill?
Or am I off in left field?

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

She's your grand-niece.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Yes, or the term great niece can also be used, and you were correct, you are her great uncle.

She would be first cousin once-removed to your children and second cousin to your grandchildren.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

She's your grand-niece.

Yes, or the term great niece can also be used, and you were correct, you are her great uncle.

She would be first cousin once-removed to your children and second cousin to your grandchildren.

Thanks for the conformation, I thought it was something along those lines, but wasn't sure. the 'family three sur can have a lot of twists & turns in it.
I didn't know that great Niece could be used as it would sound as making me younger??

[[ My neices other uncle on her moms side is married to my old lanlords* cousin/neice (*Daughter & Father owned the house) but that made us nothing]]

 

[Daneel]

[[ My neices other uncle on her moms side is married to my old lanlords* cousin/neice (*Daughter & Father owned the house) but that made us nothing]]

Not even your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate?

Anyway, yeah, I'd say you are her great-uncle and she is your great-niece.

BTW, since we're on the subject, and Miss N Thrope mentioned it, I have to (somewhat embarrassingly) admit that I've never quite figured out what the whole "once-removed" or "twice-removed" titles referred to. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

 

[Miss Chicken]

If you wait for a few moments I will draw and scan a diagram to explain it to you.

 

[Daneel]

I can do that. Patience is a virtue, and I can occasionally be virtuous.

Thanks.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Here is a diagram (excuse its roughness)

I should have given Jack and Paul's father a name - lets call him Edward

Cousins have to be of the same generation i.e. first cousins have to share a grandparent with each other (in the case Edward), 2nd cousins have to share a great-grandparent (Edward), 3rd cousins have to share a great great grandparent etc etc

Now looking at the diagram we see that Robert and Michael are 1st cousins.

Now we look at Robert and Peter. They are 1st cousins once removed.

Robert and Stephen are ist cousins, twice removed.

Robert and Tom are 1st cousins, three times removed.

Now look at Peter and William, they are 2nd cousins.

William and Stephen are 2nd cousins once removed,

William and Tom are second cousins, twice removed.

I hope that that all makes sense.

 

[Daneel]

It makes perfect sense. Thank you very much.

Well, this clears things up for me. I've been referring to my dad's cousins as my "second cousins" when they're in fact first cousins once-removed, and their children as my "third cousins" when they're actually my second cousins.

This can get confusing the further along you go, but it's good to know!

 

[Supreme Admiral]

You must have big family like I have.

 

[Finn]

How did u do the red letters???

 

[scotpens]

This thread made me think of one of Paul Lynde’s famous Hollywood Squares zingers. The question was: “I’m the son of your father’s sister. What am I to you?”

Paul’s response: “Just a silly fantasy.”

 

[Miss Chicken]

In case any moderator is wondering why this old thread has been bought up from the dead - I link to it in another thread to explain cousin relationships rather than drawing another diagram to explain it.

 

[scotpens]

^^ I wasn’t even looking at the posting dates. Had no idea this was a . . .

ZOMBIE THREAD!!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Going by the diagram above, obviously Jack's children are various levels of cousins to Paul's children. But what if Jack and Paul were cousins and not brothers? Does the term 'cousin' only apply when the "originals" are actual siblings?

 

[Admiral Shran]

MadBaggins?

????

 

[Miss Chicken]

If Jack and Paul were first cousins, not brothers, then their children would be second cousins. Also if they were first cousins than one of Jack's parents would have to be a sibling to one of Paul's parents.

It might be easier to explain this way

first cousins share a set of grandparents
2nd cousins share a set of great-grandparents
3rd cousins share a set of great-great grandparents.

This is assuming that there are no half-siblings in the family tree. If their parents were half-siblings than then the first cousins would only share only one grandparent, i.e. they are half cousins.

If the cousins were double cousins, for example if Mary and Jane are sisters to each other, and if Tom and John were brothers to each other, and Jane married Tom, and Mary married John, then their chiidren would be double cousins and share all four grandparents.

 

[milo bloom]

What do you call a relative, same generation as yours, but like a branch "over". Like I have a cousin that I share grandparents. Now he has a cousin that he shares grandparents with (but I don't). What am I to that other cousin?

tks

 

[Avalon]

How did u do the red letters???

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, the letters are in red because the thread was accessed through the search function and the words in red were the terms used. (They aren't in red when the thread is accessed the usual way through the thread list, which is how I came in.)

 

[Miss Chicken]

What do you call a relative, same generation as yours, but like a branch "over". Like I have a cousin that I share grandparents. Now he has a cousin that he shares grandparents with (but I don't). What am I to that other cousin?

tks

I don't think there is a term for a cousin of a cousin. They aren't considered to be related.

There was an example of this among the Andes Survivors. Fito and Eduardo Strauch (both were survivors) were double-cousins in that two Urioste sisters married two Strauch brothers and Fito was the son of one of these couples and Eduardo of the other couple. A third Urioste sister married a Fernandez and Daniel Fernandez was their son (he also survived). A sister of the Strauch brothers married a Shaw and their son was Daniel Shaw (he didn't survive). Both Daniels were cousins to the Strauchs but weren't related to each other.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, the letters are in red because the thread was accessed through the search function and the words in red were the terms used. (They aren't in red when the thread is accessed the usual way through the thread list, which is how I came in.)

They don't appear in colour for me maybe because I did the search. I think I entered the terms 'cousins' and my username "Miss Chicken" to find this old thread.