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It's a virus. It has no nationality. It makes no difference where it may have started. It doesn't care where people are from.

It makes a difference if it came out of a lab. The last thing we need are "new and improved" viruses being created, especially in third world countries.

Of course, I have no idea if that's the case, but with a virus this strong, it seems more likely it was created rather than naturally occurring.
 
It makes a difference if it came out of a lab. The last thing we need are "new and improved" viruses being created, especially in third world countries.

Of course, I have no idea if that's the case, but with a virus this strong, it seems more likely it was created rather than naturally occurring.

If it was created, then I would have thought it would be made with a view to it being a whole lot deadlier than it is.
 
It makes a difference if it came out of a lab. The last thing we need are "new and improved" viruses being created, especially in third world countries.

Of course, I have no idea if that's the case, but with a virus this strong, it seems more likely it was created rather than naturally occurring.
From the CDC website:
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses. Some cause illness in people, and others, such as canine and feline coronaviruses, only infect animals. Rarely, animal coronaviruses that infect animals have emerged to infect people and can spread between people. This is suspected to have occurred for the virus that causes COVID-19. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) are two other examples of coronaviruses that originated from animals and then spread to people.
 
It's a virus. It has no nationality. It makes no difference where it may have started. It doesn't care where people are from.
Actually it does matter where it started.

Because you can see what caused it to develop in the first place and look into reducing the risk of other viruses transferrin from animals to humans in the same conditions.

We got lucky with COVID-19 with its 1-3% mortality rate. Its bad yes but society can and will recover.
COVID-19 however had nastier cousins like SARS and MERS with 10-30% Morality rates and not just in the old and infirm but young,old and children. If something like that had got out we all really would be screwed. It would cause upheaval not seen since the Black death.

We need to see what made COVID-19 develop so we don't ever have to face that.

And it looks like it was the Chinese Wet markets. The world needs to put China and its lack of animal welfare and hygiene under very close scrutiny and criticism so we don't all end up dead by the next virus that appears there.
 
Actually it does matter where it started.

Because you can see what caused it to develop in the first place and look into reducing the risk of other viruses transferrin from animals to humans in the same conditions.

We got lucky with COVID-19 with its 1-3% mortality rate. Its bad yes but society can and will recover.
COVID-19 however had nastier cousins like SARS and MERS with 10-30% Morality rates and not just in the old and infirm but young,old and children. If something like that had got out we all really would be screwed. It would cause upheaval not seen since the Black death.

We need to see what made COVID-19 develop so we don't ever have to face that.

And it looks like it was the Chinese Wet markets. The world needs to put China and its lack of animal welfare and hygiene under very close scrutiny and criticism so we don't all end up dead by the next virus that appears there.
If you look at the post that I was quoting, I was responding to calling it "Chinese Virus", not saying that we don't need to know where the pandemic started from.
 
And it looks like it was the Chinese Wet markets. The world needs to put China and its lack of animal welfare and hygiene under very close scrutiny and criticism so we don't all end up dead by the next virus that appears there.

But that's racist or something. That's what I'm talking about in that all logic and reason has gone out of the window. We can't even talk about where it came from. I'm losing my damn mind.
 
And it looks like it was the Chinese Wet markets. The world needs to put China and its lack of animal welfare and hygiene under very close scrutiny and criticism so we don't all end up dead by the next virus that appears there.

And there's nothing racist about that either. It's a simple matter of accountability. This has caused one hell of a mess, with deaths likely to run into the hundreds of thousands or even more and massive economic damage to the entire planet.

Bottom line is if you are going to take part in globalisation and reap the benefits of it, then you need to behave accordingly and make sure your standards are up to scratch.
 
But that's racist or something. That's what I'm talking about in that all logic and reason has gone out of the window. We can't even talk about where it came from. I'm losing my damn mind.

Attacking the Chinese government isn't racist, so long as you're not attacking Chinese people as a whole.

This outbreak might have been contained if the Chinese government was not negligent. And yes, the world should hold that government accountable moving forward for creating conditions where this is likely to happen.
 
Of course you can talk about the Chinese Wet Markets (we are talking about them, aren't we), of course you can talk about globalism, of course you can talk about the mishandling of the situation by the Chinese government, as well as the Italian government, the French government, the American government, we here in Germany are talking about the failings of the German government, pretty much the failings of all the goververnments. All we ask is don't assign a name to the virus that we know as a matter of fact raises racist prejudices. I mean, Coronavirus and COVID-19 are not exactly tongue twisters.
 
Having had to wear latex gloves at work all week(yecch!)gives me an even deeper understanding of just how weird the kinky community are!!:crazy::guffaw::techman::biggrin:
 
I'm not clear on the mechanism of action WRT trying to call the virus other than by its actual name. Deliberately trying to offend the Chinese government hasn't had a very good track record for producing less intransigent behavior from them in the past.
 
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I don't have have the words to describe what i think of the psychopaths who run this company.
 
[...] Maybe worse than we're being told. [...]
Have a look at the WHO's website about the virus: https://www.who.int/
That's an independent and international organisation and the best source for hard facts. They will tell you what your government doesn't or where your government exaggerates.

As for the origin of that virus: it did indeed develop in Asia. However, the exact spot can't be fixed. In China, the first cases were officially recorded but there might well have been previous cases elsewhere that didn't get logged. What we do know, however, is that this virus developed from a Corona strand that usually infects bats and pangolins. Both live all over Asia.

And even if we knew the nationality of the virus - what difference would it make? One an hardly ask it to apply for a visa or greencard before it enters one's country (though I wouldn't put the idea past Trump ...)
 
The Chinese government is an authoritarian waste of oxygen and awful enough all by itself that we don't need to scapegoat the entire population of the country when we talk about this virus. Focus on the authorities and the food safety standards, not the nationality.
 
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