Controversies between fans based on misunderstandings

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  1. Ziriath

    Ziriath Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I've heard that Valeris was named by her actress- after Greek goddess Eris. She added 'Val-' to make the name more 'vulcan'. I suppose T'Eris would be too obvious for many people.
     
  2. JonnyQuest037

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    J.M. Dillard really seemed to go out of her way to rewrite the plot of STVI to her liking in that novelization. It bugged me, as I liked the film as is, and Dillard's additions seemed to weaken a lot of the film's best moments.
     
  3. Darren Mooney

    Darren Mooney Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Yep. It's weird to think she seemed to like V more than VI. Dillard completely misses the point of the film, because she personally disagrees with some character and story choices.

    But Diane Carey hated (HATED) Broken Bow. Which feels like something that should have come up before publishing the novelisation.
     
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  4. Greg Cox

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    Better than T'Etris, I suppose. :)
     
  5. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    T'Britney?

    T'Annabelle?

    T'Mary Ellen?
     
  6. Enterprise1701

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    How fortunate. The TNG Romulan Taris is portrayed as a gigantic f*cker in Star Trek Online.
     
  7. kirkfan

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    The question of how they could have missed a planet exploding not to mention that they could simply count the planets around the star in TWOK is a tough one.
     
  8. Greg Cox

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    I tried to rationalize this in a novel by suggesting that, entering the solar system from the outside, and counting backwards from the outer edge of the solar system, one could easily assume that Alpha Ceti V was Alpha Ceti VI if you had absolutely no reason to suspect that an entire planet had gone missing. Especially since, in real life, solar systems are huge and the planets aren't neatly lined up in a row the way they are in textbooks.

    (Granted, this assumes that nobody used any long-range scanners to count the number of planets in the solar system, but why would they? Planets don't routinely disappear.)

    As for nobody noticing that a planet exploded . . . well, space is big and this system was supposed to be way off the beaten track, which is why they were thinking of testing the super-secret Genesis Device there in the first place. It was a remote, largely unexplored system that nobody had visited for decades, so the planet's explosion went unnoticed.

    It's not like Vulcan blew up or something. :)
     
  9. kirkfan

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    Actually, Vulcan imploded, in the nu-universe that is.;)
     
  10. T'Girl

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    Every time a starship entered our system, do they alway count the planets.

    "Last time I was here there were nine planets ... nine, I'm sure of it. Now there's eight and a dwarf."

    :lol:
     
  11. Greg Cox

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    Hah!

    And I like I said before, it's not like they're all nicely lined up in a row so you can take attendance.

    Maybe one or two of them are on the opposite side of the sun as you enter the system from the other direction?

    Basically, it comes down to how magic the TOS-era sensors ar supposed to be. Can they automatically count every planet in a solar system from millions of miles away? And is anybody actually assigned to do this?
     
  12. Enterprise1701

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    Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact" and ENT's portrayal of Klingon first contact?
     
  13. Nerys Myk

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    Most of that came from a line that never existed that somehow became a date in the Star Trek Chronology. Enterprise works okay with the line about centuries of conflict and a disastrous first meeting.
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    Although I've never quite got how what happened in Broken Bow can be defined as a "disastrous first contact" it should be noted the writer of the TNG episode has said he has no problems with how Enterprise handled it and doesn't feel it contradicted the episode First Contact.
     
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    When you shoot the first Klingon on Earth and then violate Klingon culture taboos bringing him back to the homeworld, it might be seen as a disaster. Especially when you follow that up with all sorts of missteps.
     
  16. eyeresist

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    It's brought up occasionally, but I think most fans don't feel strongly about it. Maybe they feel the TNG quote boxes Trek history in a bit too much? Or maybe they don't care what happened in ENT ;)

    Arguably the events in Broken Bow could somehow eventually have led to war, e.g. after a conservative coup the new Kronos government accuses Earth of having interfered in Klingon politics and sided with the "enemy" (previous government). There are probably all sorts of ways you could spin it.
     
  17. T'Girl

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    Picard considers himself to be a "citizen of the federation," so which species first Klingon contact was he speaking of?

    Apparently not Human's.

    :)
     
  18. Silvercrest

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    The whole point of going to Kronos was to prevent that sort of thing from happening-- and we were led to believe it succeeded. Certainly there's no indication in later episodes that anything drastic had happened on Kronos. If it happened after S4: Well, 5+ years later it would seem hard to attribute merely to the events of "Broken Bow."

    I suppose centuries after the fact, professional historians could have assessed the flow of decades of history and concluded that the Honor Wars of 2173 (and subsequent breakdown of relations) were directly attributable to botched first contact in 2151, and that's what Picard was referring to.
     
  19. kirkfan

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    That have sensors and computers that can count for them.
     
  20. T'Girl

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    Can count them?

    Probably, but given that they were only looking for a planet for a terra-forming experiment, why would they instruct the computer to scan the entire system?

    They just looked in the "goldilocks" zone, and no where else.

    :)