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Controversies between fans based on misunderstandings

Timo has a way of interpreting things in the exact opposite way they were intended. He's previously described Kirk as one of the greatest movie villains in Star Trek history.

^ This. He's also claimed that "Day of the Dove" is definitive proof that Chekov had a brother named Pyotr, instead definitive proof that he's an only child.

Even their names are incredibly uniform with that, rather silly rule of males starting with S and ending with k and all females starting with "T' ".

This naming convention was more of a general rule than anything else, as Stonn in "Amok Time" didn't fit the pattern. And it pretty much went away for good once the male Savik became the female Saavik when STII was rewritten.
I always got the impression that Saavik's name was actually an affectation of her Romulan heritage that was in the earliest drafts and even in some cut scenes. The Romulans seemed to flip "S" and "T" names from the Vulcan genderized standards. Saavik and Sela were females and, even though we never knew the Romulan commander's name in "Enterprise Incident", her second in command was Sub-Commander Tal.

As stated by others, Tuvok's name breaks all those supposed standards, but prior to his character's creation, there did seem to be something there in the way of a pattern initially. Although, Memory Alpha has a broad list of Romulan character names which clearly show greater deviation from the standard to the point where there really is no standard. "S" and "T" names, however, appear to be the majority, as with Vulcans. That appears to be an intentional similarity.

Additionally, there was also Valeris in TUC which breaks the mold. IIRC, the novelization briefly explains her odd name choice as being attributed to having its origins in Klingon (of all things), as the word for "peace". I remember her being particularly incensed by that. Then again, perhaps I'm having a senior moment and mis-remembering that bit of trivia. It's been so long, I honestly can't remember the details of that one.

I've heard that Valeris was named by her actress- after Greek goddess Eris. She added 'Val-' to make the name more 'vulcan'. I suppose T'Eris would be too obvious for many people.
 
Additionally, there was also Valeris in TUC which breaks the mold. IIRC, the novelization briefly explains her odd name choice as being attributed to having its origins in Klingon (of all things), as the word for "peace". I remember her being particularly incensed by that. Then again, perhaps I'm having a senior moment and mis-remembering that bit of trivia. It's been so long, I honestly can't remember the details of that one.

J.M. Dillard really seemed to go out of her way to rewrite the plot of STVI to her liking in that novelization. It bugged me, as I liked the film as is, and Dillard's additions seemed to weaken a lot of the film's best moments.
 
Additionally, there was also Valeris in TUC which breaks the mold. IIRC, the novelization briefly explains her odd name choice as being attributed to having its origins in Klingon (of all things), as the word for "peace". I remember her being particularly incensed by that. Then again, perhaps I'm having a senior moment and mis-remembering that bit of trivia. It's been so long, I honestly can't remember the details of that one.

J.M. Dillard really seemed to go out of her way to rewrite the plot of STVI to her liking in that novelization. It bugged me, as I liked the film as is, and Dillard's additions seemed to weaken a lot of the film's best moments.

Yep. It's weird to think she seemed to like V more than VI. Dillard completely misses the point of the film, because she personally disagrees with some character and story choices.

But Diane Carey hated (HATED) Broken Bow. Which feels like something that should have come up before publishing the novelisation.
 
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I've heard that Valeris was named by her actress- after Greek goddess Eris. She added 'Val-' to make the name more 'vulcan'. I suppose T'Eris would be too obvious for many people.
How fortunate. The TNG Romulan Taris is portrayed as a gigantic f*cker in Star Trek Online.
 
The question of how they could have missed a planet exploding not to mention that they could simply count the planets around the star in TWOK is a tough one.
 
The question of how they could have missed a planet exploding not to mention that they could simply count the planets around the star in TWOK is a tough one.

I tried to rationalize this in a novel by suggesting that, entering the solar system from the outside, and counting backwards from the outer edge of the solar system, one could easily assume that Alpha Ceti V was Alpha Ceti VI if you had absolutely no reason to suspect that an entire planet had gone missing. Especially since, in real life, solar systems are huge and the planets aren't neatly lined up in a row the way they are in textbooks.

(Granted, this assumes that nobody used any long-range scanners to count the number of planets in the solar system, but why would they? Planets don't routinely disappear.)

As for nobody noticing that a planet exploded . . . well, space is big and this system was supposed to be way off the beaten track, which is why they were thinking of testing the super-secret Genesis Device there in the first place. It was a remote, largely unexplored system that nobody had visited for decades, so the planet's explosion went unnoticed.

It's not like Vulcan blew up or something. :)
 
The question of how they could have missed a planet exploding not to mention that they could simply count the planets around the star in TWOK is a tough one.

I tried to rationalize this in a novel by suggesting that, entering the solar system from the outside, and counting backwards from the outer edge of the solar system, one could easily assume that Alpha Ceti V was Alpha Ceti VI if you had absolutely no reason to suspect that an entire planet had gone missing. Especially since, in real life, solar systems are huge and the planets aren't neatly lined up in a row the way they are in textbooks.

(Granted, this assumes that nobody used any long-range scanners to count the number of planets in the solar system, but why would they? Planets don't routinely disappear.)

As for nobody noticing that a planet exploded . . . well, space is big and this system was supposed to be way off the beaten track, which is why they were thinking of testing the super-secret Genesis Device there in the first place. It was a remote, largely unexplored system that nobody had visited for decades, so the planet's explosion went unnoticed.

It's not like Vulcan blew up or something. :)

Actually, Vulcan imploded, in the nu-universe that is.;)
 
Every time a starship entered our system, do they alway count the planets.

"Last time I was here there were nine planets ... nine, I'm sure of it. Now there's eight and a dwarf."

:lol:
 
Every time a starship entered our system, do they alway count the planets.

"Last time I was here there were nine planets ... nine, I'm sure of it. Now there's eight and a dwarf."

:lol:

Hah!

And I like I said before, it's not like they're all nicely lined up in a row so you can take attendance.

Maybe one or two of them are on the opposite side of the sun as you enter the system from the other direction?

Basically, it comes down to how magic the TOS-era sensors ar supposed to be. Can they automatically count every planet in a solar system from millions of miles away? And is anybody actually assigned to do this?
 
Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact" and ENT's portrayal of Klingon first contact?
 
Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact" and ENT's portrayal of Klingon first contact?
Most of that came from a line that never existed that somehow became a date in the Star Trek Chronology. Enterprise works okay with the line about centuries of conflict and a disastrous first meeting.
 
Although I've never quite got how what happened in Broken Bow can be defined as a "disastrous first contact" it should be noted the writer of the TNG episode has said he has no problems with how Enterprise handled it and doesn't feel it contradicted the episode First Contact.
 
Although I've never quite got how what happened in Broken Bow can be defined as a "disastrous first contact" it should be noted the writer of the TNG episode has said he has no problems with how Enterprise handled it and doesn't feel it contradicted the episode First Contact.
When you shoot the first Klingon on Earth and then violate Klingon culture taboos bringing him back to the homeworld, it might be seen as a disaster. Especially when you follow that up with all sorts of missteps.
 
Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact" and ENT's portrayal of Klingon first contact?
It's brought up occasionally, but I think most fans don't feel strongly about it. Maybe they feel the TNG quote boxes Trek history in a bit too much? Or maybe they don't care what happened in ENT ;)

Arguably the events in Broken Bow could somehow eventually have led to war, e.g. after a conservative coup the new Kronos government accuses Earth of having interfered in Klingon politics and sided with the "enemy" (previous government). There are probably all sorts of ways you could spin it.
 
Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact"
Picard considers himself to be a "citizen of the federation," so which species first Klingon contact was he speaking of?

Apparently not Human's.

:)
 
Do fans heavily disagree with each other about Picard's statement regarding first contact with Klingons in TNG - "First Contact" and ENT's portrayal of Klingon first contact?

Arguably the events in Broken Bow could somehow eventually have led to war, e.g. after a conservative coup the new Kronos government accuses Earth of having interfered in Klingon politics and sided with the "enemy" (previous government). There are probably all sorts of ways you could spin it.

The whole point of going to Kronos was to prevent that sort of thing from happening-- and we were led to believe it succeeded. Certainly there's no indication in later episodes that anything drastic had happened on Kronos. If it happened after S4: Well, 5+ years later it would seem hard to attribute merely to the events of "Broken Bow."

I suppose centuries after the fact, professional historians could have assessed the flow of decades of history and concluded that the Honor Wars of 2173 (and subsequent breakdown of relations) were directly attributable to botched first contact in 2151, and that's what Picard was referring to.
 
Every time a starship entered our system, do they alway count the planets.

"Last time I was here there were nine planets ... nine, I'm sure of it. Now there's eight and a dwarf."

:lol:
That have sensors and computers that can count for them.
 
Can count them?

Probably, but given that they were only looking for a planet for a terra-forming experiment, why would they instruct the computer to scan the entire system?

They just looked in the "goldilocks" zone, and no where else.

:)
 
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