Spoilers Control?!?!

[SolarisOne]

I can see how the thing in second pic is related to Airiam somehow..

Airiam's not a synth.

My only question is, in-universe, how the hell did Oh get ahold of it? How could she possibly have knowledge of a timelline that may not ever exist?

Why do you think I keep saying I think there is more going on here than they've been letting on? This Zhat Vash may be partly, or even wholly, wrong.

Also, Chabon isn't a fucking hack.

Haven't read the thread yet, but I take it everyone agrees with me that bringing back Control for Picard is a great idea.

Hell-Goddamn-Fucking NO. It was an asinine plotline in DSC and would be even worse in PIC.

 

[Kzinti]

i hope it's control the meltdown will be glorious

 

[rahullak]

Control from Discovery:

Control from Get Smart:

Control from Person of Interest?

 

[Kzinti]

I hate Discovery. It's trash. Please don't let it pollute a great series.

pollute? discovery is better than Picard

 

[Roboturner913]

i hope it's control the meltdown will be glorious

I'm kinda with you.

I'm continually surprised by fandom's inability to roll with the punches and nerve to be all "It sucks because that's not how I imagined it should be."

Writers aren't obligated to write the shit you want them to write. Either go with it, or write your own shit. It's a win-win situation, if you let it be that.

 

[Sparky]

i hope it's control the meltdown will be glorious

Indeed. It'll be almost as satisfying as the meltdown that occurred on Doctor Who forums after the latest season finale.

 

[SJGardner]

I'm kinda with you.

I'm continually surprised by fandom's inability to roll with the punches and nerve to be all "It sucks because that's not how I imagined it should be."

Writers aren't obligated to write the shit you want them to write. Either go with it, or write your own shit. It's a win-win situation, if you let it be that.

Exactly. I'm a bit bummed that most of the speculation regarding Trek plotlines I'm seeing on the internet nowadays goes like this:

Someone floats an idea.
If it's clever, creative or poetic, people will dismiss it out of hand, because it's too good for Kurtzman Trek, which always just steamrolls through everything to the most obvious conclusion without regard to canon or plot holes.
If it's something they think sucks or reeks of bad storytelling, they're instantly convinced this is 100% how the plotline will end, because it's Kurtzman Trek and no matter how low they set their expectations, it still always disappoints.

Seriously, even if Kurtzman had Chabon tie Control and/or the Red Angel into the storyline in some way, I just don't see him giving up, deciding that the plotline is completely unsalvageable and just haphazardly shoehorning it in without regard to anything merely to satisfy the boss. Okay, unlike many here, I don't hate Control & the RA outright, though I admit they could've been executed better, but I think if Chabon had to work with those, he would be able to get something enjoyable and well-written out of it... it's not like Kurtzman personally dictated the scenes to him.

 

[thribs]

Indeed. It'll be almost as satisfying as the meltdown that occurred on Doctor Who forums after the latest season finale.

How bad was it?

 

[Gov Kodos]

We've got this under Control.

There's only one Control. If only they'd do Section 31 in this style.

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[Roboturner913]

Exactly. I'm a bit bummed that most of the speculation regarding Trek plotlines I'm seeing on the internet nowadays goes like this:

Someone floats an idea.
If it's clever, creative or poetic, people will dismiss it out of hand, because it's too good for Kurtzman Trek, which always just steamrolls through everything to the most obvious conclusion without regard to canon or plot holes.
If it's something they think sucks or reeks of bad storytelling, they're instantly convinced this is 100% how the plotline will end, because it's Kurtzman Trek and no matter how low they set their expectations, it still always disappoints.

Seriously, even if Kurtzman had Chabon tie Control and/or the Red Angel into the storyline in some way, I just don't see him giving up, deciding that the plotline is completely unsalvageable and just haphazardly shoehorning it in without regard to anything merely to satisfy the boss. Okay, unlike many here, I don't hate Control & the RA outright, though I admit they could've been executed better, but I think if Chabon had to work with those, he would be able to get something enjoyable and well-written out of it... it's not like Kurtzman personally dictated the scenes to him.

without getting into specifics, it seems there’s a segment that aims to criticize no matter what, almost as if there’s a kind of cottage industry in being opposed to whatever is done no matter how generally praised or accepted. It bothers me as an appreciator of art. Any asshole can criticize but very few can truly create.

 

[Terok Nor]

pollute? discovery is better than Picard

Sure.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I suppose the allusions to control and Airiam might be akin to the allusions to the Borg in Discovery season 2. "Struggle is pointless", don't you know.

However, what if there's another explanation... they are connected, but not as strongly as you might think. What if there is some malicious consciousness somewhere that is able to influence synthetic life to some degree. Something that has no agency on its own. It could have been able to control control as it were.

It could actually be the reason for borg hostility. I mean, I've always thought it unrealistic that a meeting of so many innocent minds and individuals could truly be behind such destruction if there wasn't something big overwhelming them. Now, it could be the Queen, but again, she's one individual. The Borg do act with a singular collective will, but it's never been a balanced one. Something malicious is dominant.

 

[ITDUDE]

Airiam's not a synth.

Why do you think I keep saying I think there is more going on here than they've been letting on? This Zhat Vash may be partly, or even wholly, wrong.

Also, Chabon isn't a fucking hack.

Hell-Goddamn-Fucking NO. It was an asinine plotline in DSC and would be even worse in PIC.

How Airiam fits into all this, no one knows. That thing, make up, ears, lines on face, kinda looks similar. What it all means no one knows.

 

[ITDUDE]

Others have picked up on possible connection:
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-borg-discovery-season-2-control/

 

[fireproof78]

i hope it's control the meltdown will be glorious

I would like to see Control in some form, even if it is just a reference.

But, part of me, is aware that the fan reaction will be incredibly entertaining.

pollute? discovery is better than Picard

Don't bother. Discovery hate endures.

 

[Campe]

I doubt it’s connected to Discovery. Simply stock footage. People are freaking out over nothing.

Again.

 

[Ovation]

I doubt it’s connected to Discovery. Simply stock footage. People are freaking out over nothing.

Again.

What? That never happens.

 

[Kzinti]

Sure.

glad you agree

 

[Terok Nor]

glad you agree

Sure.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

i hope it's control the meltdown will be glorious

17 heads explode in unison? It's usually a very small number of haters making the most noise y'know