And Dahj's boyfriend being from the same species as Po (Xahean).
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And Dahj's boyfriend being from the same species as Po (Xahean).
I'd be willing to bet that this is just another example of reusing footage, which has always been a part of Trek. A couple years ago I took the tour at Paramount and when they got to the Star Trek portion, the guide actually had an iPad that he held up and showed the group how they used the exact same footage of the exploding Klingon ship in both Undiscovered Country and Generations, literally the next film in the franchise.
That being said...this may not be the popular opinion, but I totally wouldn't mind if this actually did end up being a connection to Discovery. I actually enjoy Discovery and think crossovers can be fun so I'd be all for it. But that's just my opinion.
And the shuttles being the same.
I don't mind these little nods to continuity. Shuttles, Gormaganders, certain species, it's all cool. But those are easter eggs, not major plot points...
I'm with you. Again, I fail to see issues where others think there are issues.
Only if you like Discovery. For me, Discovery is a 4, while Picard is a 10. Sure, Discovery would benefit by crossing over with Picard. What's in it for Picard?
5th season of Discovery is going to be 3rd season on Picard.
When they finish with 2nd season of Picard and 4th season of Discovery, they wil intermix ST Picard and ST Discovery into:
Star Trek Red Angel
And Red Angel will be superwoman Michael Burnham who will save entire Universe, and Picard will be her tiro.
When they finish with 2nd season of Picard and 4th season of Discovery, they wil intermix ST Picard and ST Discovery into:
Star Trek Red Angel
And Red Angel will be superwoman Michael Burnham who will save entire Universe, and Picard will be her tiro.
I don't care. ENT is a 1 for me but having TNG references in it (despite the much maligned nature of These are the Voyages) is fine by me.
Maybe there is nothing in it for Picard. I don't care. Current productions referencing each other is preferable to me.
Double post but I wanted to add something to my thoughts. My biggest frustration with the pushback against Discovery/Control reference is that it feels very much like Discovery is being talked down about. It's being told "You go sit at the kid's table. The grown ups are talking."
I'm sure that's an oversensitive reaction on my part and I'll own it. But, in the past I rarely saw issue with DS9 connecting with TOS, VOY connecting with Sulu or McCoy and Scotty on TNG. I fail to see how DSC is an issue on PIC.
I'm sure that's an oversensitive reaction on my part and I'll own it. But, in the past I rarely saw issue with DS9 connecting with TOS, VOY connecting with Sulu or McCoy and Scotty on TNG. I fail to see how DSC is an issue on PIC.
Yes, that’s the same thing.
Footage like this is VERY expensive to produce. I am absolutely not surprised that they might reuse footage from DSC for a similar scene in PIC.
My only question is, in-universe, how the hell did Oh get ahold of it? How could she possibly have knowledge of a timelline that may not ever exist?
My only question is, in-universe, how the hell did Oh get ahold of it? How could she possibly have knowledge of a timelline that may not ever exist?
Well, if it's not Control and it's just stock footage, then I think it's most probably memories from the pre-Awakening Vulcan wars, which could mean the Zhat Vash was formed because Ancient Vulcans have already survived a cataclysmic AI rebellion, and its memories were passed from generation to generation through mind-melds by Vulcan Zhat Vash and/or whatever memory storing devices Romulans have instead of telepathy.Footage like this is VERY expensive to produce. I am absolutely not surprised that they might reuse footage from DSC for a similar scene in PIC.
My only question is, in-universe, how the hell did Oh get ahold of it? How could she possibly have knowledge of a timelline that may not ever exist?
If it is Control, then I think when Mama Burnham was lost into the temporal vortex in Perpetual Infinity, she got unstuck in time and ended up on ancient Vulcan, perhaps gravely injured, or maybe she accidentally visited the place when she was first experimenting with the time suit's capabilities. Some pre-Awakening Vulcans found her and mind-melded with her like Spock did. In this case, the footage is the same because the generations upon generations of Zhat Vash have been passing the exact same vision to each other that Spock had seen.
I like your theory that this is a vision of what happened before. But why is it so critical to destroy and kill everyone now? If it is just to avoid previous mistakes, then just educate, don’t kill.
Well, I think they might have started out as a group of mysterious scholars/monks who visited people working on AI and showed them their visions to convince them to stop their research. But I think for every researcher they convinced, there was another who was stubborn and proud enough to believe they could do better, that their AI won't rebel, and then it would blow up in their faces all the same. If it was like that, the Zhat Vash would eventually realize that educating people is not enough as long as there are people whose hubris or unbridled curiosity would make them deaf to their warnings, so the only way is to kill the various nascent AI in the cradle whenever they pop up.
As for why come out now, it was probably the Federation starting industrial production of Soong-derived androids that triggered them... all those synths operating in various strategically important Federation installations like Utopia Planitia could lead to unfathomable levels of destruction if those synths went haywire and were able to take over the Federation's industrial capacity.
It is partly that. Discovery's main plots were hella dumb, and people don't want Picard to be tainted by them. It is like tying the main plot to VOY:'Threshold' or TOS: 'Spock's Brain'. Furthermore, tying the story of a new show to another show in a degree that it would be important to be familiar with both would not be a good idea, regardless of the quality of the story being referred. Picard of course refers to TNG and associated movies that way, but that it to be expected as it is literally about the same character. And as for old shows referring each other, it is rather different thing in more episodic format, where you can easily dedicate one standalone episode for such a homage.
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I would refer to Unification two parter. It was deliberately designed to refer to TUC.
I think it's all in execution.
I think it's all in execution.
I think bridging DSC and PIC directly is a mistake. Execution or not. They can't refer back to the first two seasons because the whole point of "Such Sweet Sorrow" was to explain why Discovery is never mentioned (what people actually think of the explanation is beside the point, it's the bottom line that matters). And, because of the 800-year gap between PIC and the rest of DSC, it just doesn't work on PIC's end.
