Spoilers Continuation of 25th Century Trek?

[Mudd]

The season three sets mostly look like temporary construction - some really brilliant graphic elements deployed tp dress up rather flimsy-looking and improvised structures with no real flow. I don't imagine that they had the budget for the Titan-A sets that was available for the intended-to-be-multi-season production of SNW; if they, they kind of blew it.

 

[valkyrie013]

Huh? Millions of people voted for the turd, your going to find a few here and there, even in California and even in Trek productions. Its not one big "so say we all" sheesh...
The guy designed the refit and Tng.. Naming a station after him seems a right.

Anyways.
I'd support a 25th century show. But I'd be for a more.. Not one ship, or crew type of show. Show a Story, but have multiple crews/spots telling the story. Something similar to this season. Like have a Raffi/ Worf sub plot, with intelligence, but have a new crew/ship be on point this time, maybe 2 ships, or a station. Whatever the budget can do.

 

[Dukhat]

I don’t give a crap if they name a fictional space station after the guy. I just find the political views of someone I admired to be…disappointing.

 

[USS Artorius]

Can we not have one thread without getting political? Trump Chump bla bla... Yeah obviously Jean-Luc Picard is a white male and but a "saviour?" it's clear the writing in Picard shows him as more of a man with flaws than he was ever portrayed in TNG.. And if they wanted to make a sequel series with Janeway as a lead or Sisko they would have tried, but TNG simply had more pop culture recognition ratings and better viewership. As for Discovery, it was cancelled so it doesn't matter now. Yeah trans people had better representation in Disco than any other series of Trek, but it also suffered from bad writing and terrible continuity relative to other Trek shows.

 

[F. King Daniel]

As for Discovery, it was cancelled so it doesn't matter now

Erm, wasn't Picard cancelled first?

 

[USS Artorius]

Erm, wasn't Picard cancelled first?

Star Trek Picard was only contracted for 3 Seasons

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek Picard was only contracted for 3 Seasons

But what about all those interviews where they said it could run further if they wanted?

 

[urbandk]

Sure, but a lot of fans hated the idea of Picard being turned into a robot golem and season 2 with Q and all that is generally considered to be bad.

Picard saved all life in the galaxy in all good things. Saving the universe is not a one off for him.

 

[Dukhat]

But what about all those interviews where they said it could run further if they wanted?

That was before CBS/Paramount realized that their streaming service was losing money by producing expensive shows that weren’t making a return on their investment.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That was before CBS/Paramount realized that their streaming service was losing money by producing expensive shows that weren’t making a return on their investment.

In other words, cancelled with a nice "we always planned to end it here" talking point.

 

[USS Artorius]

That was before CBS/Paramount realized that their streaming service was losing money by producing expensive shows that weren’t making a return on their investment.

This is what I heard as well, Netflix cancelled their side of the agreement with Star Trek Discovery that's why it moved to Paramount+ after 3 Seasons and after this Netflix did not want to go into another agreement for Picard so Amazon took it instead. They also copied Netflix agreeing to a 3 season contract so yes hypothetically it could go on longer but Kurtzman needs to pull something out of the bag to keep his job as the Trek showrunner.

 

[fireproof78]

But what about all those interviews where they said it could run further if they wanted?

As a paid plant you should know it comes back to money.

 

[USS Artorius]

In other words, cancelled with a nice "we always planned to end it here" talking point.

Yes admittedly this is true but its clear the third season was miles better than 1 & 2 so it was a case of "too little, too late". It doesn't mean it was all bad. Imagine being a Star Trek fan who hates TNG just because it has a white male lead. Everyone wants a Shaw spinoff and he is a white male last time I checked. I would also love to see Sisko make a cameo somewhere and I am hyped for Prodigy Season 2. Diversity has also been championed in trek from the first onscreen interracial kiss in TOS to androgenous aliens in TNG. The changelings also have no assigned gender except those they assign themselves. Disco has also done alot for Transgender inclusion so all Trek has done it's bit. And the world is a better place for it.

 

[FederationHistorian]

A Titan/7of9 show seems to be the most popular idea. A Fenris Rangers show has been brought up by quite a few of us. Those 2 options could be a single show with the Titan spending a lot of time near the old Romulan NZ, if they went that route.

This works for the first season of a Titan/Seven of Nine show. It could cover a lot of loose ends regarding PIC S1 - fate of Oh and Zhat Vash, Coppelius, The Artifact, Fenris Rangers, and the Romulan Free State (ranging from warlords, possible terrorists, Romulans at peace with Federation and moving towards reunification to wherabouts of tech such as Romulan holodecks). Maybe even a cameo of a grown up Kima & Lil from that Short Trek .

But with Section 31 a possibility, and a live action Janeway show in the works, and a possible PIC movie, I don’t want the early 25th century getting crowded. I also feel that its tradition for a Trek show to be set near or after the middle of the century it takes place in.

Its why I feel Seven, Shaw, Raffi, Worf, Elnor, Titan bridge crew, Titan's Trill doctor, Stargazer bridge crew, & Cadet Kestra Troi- Riker should end up on the USS Enterprise-G, and be thrown 50-60 years into the future from PIC S3. And deal with a mostly different environment from the one created by PIC. It should be influenced by the future and alternate realities from TNG/DS9/VOY, much like how AGT has influenced PIC.

• In the Federation, Cardassians are serving in Starfleet. Starships use cloaks, transphasic torpedoes, and ablative armour in their refitted fleet. There are less threats to Earth, more towards other Federation worlds (hey, we know Earth will survive to the 32nd century. May as well switch it up). Recurring characters from TNG/DS9/VOY like Nurse Ogawa have their own legacies. The descendants of the crews of DS9 and VOY has risen up the ranks; The 14 worlds that threatened to secede from the Federation over helping Romulus has actually amounted to something. Tom Paris’s holonovels are regularly run in the holodecks. Ferengi Alliance and Talarian Republic are important powers in the Alpha Quadrant the Federation interacts with. Corrupt Ferengi Daimons are an issue. Soji is still synth ambassador. The Dyson Sphere is a major Federation site.

• Klingon expansionism leads to control over various parts of Romulan Free State and Bajor. The Klingons have a renewed interest in time travel. Negh’vars are the D7/K’t’inga of the 25th century & a Vor’cha has become a notable hero ship in the vein of the Ent-D (ex.IKS Rotarran-D). The Klingons are split between members of the Federation, and joining with the Dominon & Breen.

• A Bajor that initially entered into an alliance with the Cardassians, but then spy on and then turns aggressive towards the Cardassians and later the Federation after the Federation hands over control of the wormhole -and thus protection of Bajor - to the Klingons.

• The Borg are still out there, as are the once-mentioned Fen Domar.

That setting would be enough for both a Seven show, and Worf/Raffi/Section 31 show, to work with for three seasons each.

If they wanted to freshen up the Seven show if it lasted five season, they could then move the show even further into the future and send Seven and Ent-G crew to the 29th century and expand on that era: 29th century Borg; the USS Relativity & Ducane; Na'kuhl (ENT’s alien nazis); Future Guy; Soji is still active centuries later; Andoria is destroyed by the 29th century (an idea from both ENT’s Azati Prime and the undeveloped New Frontier concept) and are moving toward Emerald Chain/ are out of the Federation; Klingons/Xindi/Ithenites/Romulans/Borg in Starfleet; the Kazon Clan Forum as suggested from a starchart in DIS S3 is active, Daniels appears.

There's no shortage of ideas for both a Seven show and a 25th century show.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

This works for the first season of a Titan/Seven of Nine show. It could cover a lot of loose ends regarding PIC S1 - fate of Oh and Zhat Vash, Coppelius, The Artifact, Fenris Rangers, and the Romulan Free State (ranging from warlords, possible terrorists, Romulans at peace with Federation and moving towards reunification to wherabouts of tech such as Romulan holodecks). Maybe even a cameo of a grown up Kima & Lil from that Short Trek .

But with Section 31 a possibility, and a live action Janeway show in the works, and a possible PIC movie, I don’t want the early 25th century getting crowded. I also feel that its tradition for a Trek show to be set near or after the middle of the century it takes place in.

Its why I feel Seven, Shaw, Raffi, Worf, Elnor, Titan bridge crew, Titan's Trill doctor, Stargazer bridge crew, & Cadet Kestra Troi- Riker should end up on the USS Enterprise-G, and be thrown 50-60 years into the future from PIC S3. And deal with a mostly different environment from the one created by PIC. It should be influenced by the future and alternate realities from TNG/DS9/VOY, much like how AGT has influenced PIC.

• In the Federation, Cardassians are serving in Starfleet. Starships use cloaks, transphasic torpedoes, and ablative armour in their refitted fleet. There are less threats to Earth, more towards other Federation worlds (hey, we know Earth will survive to the 32nd century. May as well switch it up). Recurring characters from TNG/DS9/VOY like Nurse Ogawa have their own legacies. The descendants of the crews of DS9 and VOY has risen up the ranks; The 14 worlds that threatened to secede from the Federation over helping Romulus has actually amounted to something. Tom Paris’s holonovels are regularly run in the holodecks. Ferengi Alliance and Talarian Republic are important powers in the Alpha Quadrant the Federation interacts with. Corrupt Ferengi Daimons are an issue. Soji is still synth ambassador. The Dyson Sphere is a major Federation site.

• Klingon expansionism leads to control over various parts of Romulan Free State and Bajor. The Klingons have a renewed interest in time travel. Negh’vars are the D7/K’t’inga of the 25th century & a Vor’cha has become a notable hero ship in the vein of the Ent-D (ex.IKS Rotarran-D). The Klingons are split between members of the Federation, and joining with the Dominon & Breen.

• A Bajor that initially entered into an alliance with the Cardassians, but then spy on and then turns aggressive towards the Cardassians and later the Federation after the Federation hands over control of the wormhole -and thus protection of Bajor - to the Klingons.

• The Borg are still out there, as are the once-mentioned Fen Domar.

That setting would be enough for both a Seven show, and Worf/Raffi/Section 31 show, to work with for three seasons each.

If they wanted to freshen up the Seven show if it lasted five season, they could then move the show even further into the future and send Seven and Ent-G crew to the 29th century and expand on that era: 29th century Borg; the USS Relativity & Ducane; Na'kuhl (ENT’s alien nazis); Future Guy; Soji is still active centuries later; Andoria is destroyed by the 29th century (an idea from both ENT’s Azati Prime and the undeveloped New Frontier concept) and are moving toward Emerald Chain/ are out of the Federation; Klingons/Xindi/Ithenites/Romulans/Borg in Starfleet; the Kazon Clan Forum as suggested from a starchart in DIS S3 is active, Daniels appears.

There's no shortage of ideas for both a Seven show and a 25th century show.

Lots of interesting ideas there. I'm not sure being thrown into the future (even only 50-60 years) would go over well with the anti-DSC group. Or even the pro-DSC group that had enough of time jumps.

I think there are definitely enough characters from three seasons of Picard alone to choose from if they do a follow-up series.

And yeah, some S1 threads and/or the hanging thread from S2 (whoever made that super transwarp conduit), would make good starting points.

 

[fireproof78]

There's no shortage of ideas for both a Seven show and a 25th century show.

That really isn't the trouble.

 

[Dukhat]

There's no shortage of ideas for both a Seven show and a 25th century show.

You can come up with a million ideas for a 25th century show. But if CBS doesn't want to spend the money to produce it because they don't think it will make the kind of returns they want, it won't happen.

 

[Visitor1982]

Picard wasn't cancelled, Discovery was.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Picard wasn't cancelled, Discovery was.

They had the option to carry on further, they chose not to take it. Ergo, cancelled.

But if the semantics and spin make you feel like Picard won some imaginary war, good on ya! I like both but Discovery will have about 60 episodes by the end, Picard will have 30.

 

[FederationHistorian]

You can come up with a million ideas for a 25th century show. But if CBS doesn't want to spend the money to produce it because they don't think it will make the kind of returns they want, it won't happen.

Because they can’t redress the bridge to be the bridge of any other Starfleet ship from any century. Or alien ship for that matter?

Because they can’t reuse the Starfleet ship models from all seasons of PIC to help make up the fleet, similar to how the ships of the TOS movies were used in TNG/DS9/VOY?

Because they can’t reuse the PIC Starfleet uniforms from all eras?

They can’t redress Freecloud/M’talas Prime to be any Klingon, Cardassian, or new alien district?

Vasquez Rocks can’t make a guest appearance on Bajor or a Romulan colony?

They can’t reuse the flyby shots of San Francisco seen in PIC, SNW, and – if they head to the far future – DIS.

They won’t be doing bottle episodes?

They wont be able to afford good writers, even those the same writers wrote S2 and S3 of PIC and quality between those seasons are night and day?

Because a Section 31 show, and guest stars from the TNG/DS9/VOY era will be expensive?

I’m not sure where you are under the impression Paramount won’t spend, or there's no way to make Trek affordable to produce. Yes, they’ve tightened the purse strings for now and there are no new shows in the immediate or forseeable future. But this isn’t ENT, so by default, they are at least a little open minded to a continuation right now.

Plus a lot of their concerns with seeeing the returns they want and turning a profit are with Paramount+ itself, not Star Trek per se.

Picard wasn't cancelled, Discovery was.

PIC was only going for three seasons due to contracts. DIS only went for five seasons because those seasons were all paid for. There were no concrete plans to continue those shows, even if ideas for a continuation via a Seven or Janeway show for the 25th century, and Starfleet Academy for the 32nd century, were floated.