Spoilers Continuation of 25th Century Trek?

[Visitor1982]

They had the option to carry on further, they chose not to take it. Ergo, cancelled.

But if the semantics and spin make you feel like Picard won some imaginary war, good on ya! I like both but Discovery will have about 60 episodes by the end, Picard will have 30.

It was planned as a 3 season show and that's what it turned out to be. It may get a spin-off in the form of Star Trek - Legacy, or it may not.

PIC was only going for three seasons due to contracts. DIS only went for five seasons because those seasons were all paid for. There were no concrete plans to continue those shows, even if ideas for a continuation via a Seven or Janeway show for the 25th century, and Starfleet Academy for the 32nd century, were floated.

If they weren't on planning Discovery to last longer, they wouldn't need to reshoot season 5's ending now. Season 5 was not meant to be Discovery's ending, but now it is. So it was cancelled. Not because it's a bad show or anything, but because after 5 season it has become a costly show, with actors to renegotiate new contracts etc.

 

[gvn2fly]

In other words, cancelled with a nice "we always planned to end it here" talking point.

They were talking about wanting to just do 3 seasons since before season 1 aired so that was always the plan or always what Patrick Stewart said he would do. Only after filming season 3 did they say they could see these stories and characters continuing. Patrick also said he had such a good time on season 3 that he might be open to more (which could be misdirection since we don't know whether he will survive the season). I don't think they went into any of the Picard seasons planning on doing more than 3. Season 3 was the planned last season from the beginning and it finished filming almost a year ago.

 

[gvn2fly]

They had the option to carry on further, they chose not to take it. Ergo, cancelled.

We don't know if they had the option to carry on further since Patrick was only on board for 3 seasons. Him saying there is potential to come back isn't the same as him wanting to star in another season of television.

 

[USS Artorius]

We don't know if they had the option to carry on further since Patrick was only on board for 3 seasons. Him saying there is potential to come back isn't the same as him wanting to star in another season of television.

Precisely. Also I don't know for certain but it's highly likely that Amazon didn't want to shell out all the dollars for the original TNG cast to show up for a potential Season 4 of Picard, again probably due to viewing figures not being sufficient but given PIC season 1 and 2 I don't blame them. Many sources have stated the majority of Disco's budget went into Set Design, special effects and a large(r) ensemble cast. Imo the two shows are too different to compare to each other. This is a Picard thread after all @F King Daniel.. Not a Discovery thread

 

[USS Artorius]

They were talking about wanting to just do 3 seasons since before season 1 aired so that was always the plan or always what Patrick Stewart said he would do. Only after filming season 3 did they say they could see these stories and characters continuing. Patrick also said he had such a good time on season 3 that he might be open to more (which could be misdirection since we don't know whether he will survive the season). I don't think they went into any of the Picard seasons planning on doing more than 3. Season 3 was the planned last season from the beginning and it finished filming almost a year ago.

Yeah... Sir Patrick is 82 years old so it's possible he only signed on for 3 Seasons purely because he doesn't know if he can live through another 7 season show!! And yeah given his enjoyment of Season 3 I don't see any reason why he can't have a last hoorah in a 25th Century Trek Movie. Personally I would love that. We'll just have to see how the rest of Season 3 pans out. C'mon fellas, we are lucky enough to even see Patrick in a new Trek show let alone the rest of the original TNG cast! Fanwank be damned, we are a lucky fanbase. End of.

 

[fireproof78]

we are a lucky fanbase. End of.

Very true.

 

[FederationHistorian]

If they weren't on planning Discovery to last longer, they wouldn't need to reshoot season 5's ending now. Season 5 was not meant to be Discovery's ending, but now it is.

The S3 and S4 finales of DIS came off as series finales, despite being season finales. So it would not have been a surprise if S5 had been that way as well if there was a renewal. All this reshoot tells us is that the cast was kept in the dark that there wouldn’t be anymore episodes produced and they want something better than what they originally made.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yep, 32nd Century sounds like it is continuing
https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1641485446038568961?t=f5-8EG2uolMAbvJFxFr0tg&s=19

 

[HotRod]

Yep, 32nd Century sounds like it is continuing
https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1641485446038568961?t=f5-8EG2uolMAbvJFxFr0tg&s=19

Gotta wonder, with all the issues Paramount, and everyone else, has been having with streaming, what this does to the hope of a 25th century show? I mean, Paramount isn't gonna cancel or end two shows like Discovery and Picard, just to replace them both with spin-offs. Expect severe cost cutting measures if they do. Hope this doesn't have any impact on the continuation of SNW beyond season 3.

 

[TerryTrek]

Gotta wonder, with all the issues Paramount, and everyone else, has been having with streaming, what this does to the hope of a 25th century show? I mean, Paramount isn't gonna cancel or end two shows like Discovery and Picard, just to replace them both with spin-offs. Expect severe cost cutting measures if they do. Hope this doesn't have any impact on the continuation of SNW beyond season 3.

It basically kills the hope of another live action Trek series anytime soon.

There isn't the money for it. It shows how out of touch Kurtzman and co. are.


I'm happy we got Picard S3 at least, and you will be too... when you see Ep 9/10!

It ends the 25th Century on a good note.

 

[fireproof78]

Gotta wonder, with all the issues Paramount, and everyone else, has been having with streaming, what this does to the hope of a 25th century show? I mean, Paramount isn't gonna cancel or end two shows like Discovery and Picard, just to replace them both with spin-offs. Expect severe cost cutting measures if they do. Hope this doesn't have any impact on the continuation of SNW beyond season 3.

I think we will see the 25th century show, just not any time soon. Paramount is cancelling two shows, with Discovery and Picard, and playing a much longer format game than previously had been done before. Instead of a year full of Trek, they are looking at a different way of making money. Obviously, no guarantees this approach will make money, but I imagine they'll scale back, bring in this Academy series, continue SNW, and then do something else, like a 25th century show.

The simple fact is that Discovery was just going to become a more and more expensive show to produce. That budget being reallocated and then moving money around shows off to investors that Paramount is still a worthy investment, while trying to manage costs.

There isn't the money for it. It shows how out of touch Kurtzman and co. are.

Wait, according to sources Kurtzman has no more influence...? Interesting?

 

[HotRod]

It shows how out of touch Kurtzman and co. are.

You'll bad mouth Kurtzman and then praise Picard in the next breath. Remind me again who produced Picard? Who is the overseer of the franchise as a whole? Who probably hired Lord Terry?

 

[TerryTrek]

Wait, according to sources Kurtzman has no more influence...? Interesting?

What source?

Because even Midnight's Edge revealed this week that Kurtzman was renewed very recently and was about to announce his next series.... and today; voila!

You'll bad mouth Kurtzman and then praise Picard in the next breath. Remind me again who produced Picard? Who is the overseer of the franchise as a whole? Who probably hired Lord Terry?

Who stepped away during S3 and gave Terry full creative control... Probably Kurtzman's best call.

 

[fireproof78]

What source?

Because even Midnight's Edge revealed this week that Kurtzman was renewed very recently and was about to announce his next series.... and today; voila!

Sources that I put about as much stock in as Midnight's Edge, so you know...BS. Also, humor

ETA: Over in another thread someone else posted an ME video. I didn't watch it but you're welcome to it as "source."

You'll bad mouth Kurtzman and then praise Picard in the next breath. Remind me again who produced Picard? Who is the overseer of the franchise as a whole? Who probably hired Lord Terry?

We all know Kurtzman is secretly kidnapping Terry to ensure his ideas rule Trek, not Terry's, as the people wish!

 

[SG-17]

Please for the love of god can we get a mid-to-late 25th century Enterprise or Voyager serialized exploration show?

Maybe something radical and the first exploration ship to another galaxy or maybe the exploration of the Gamma Quadrant or a return to the Delta Quadrant.

Just something.

 

[TerryTrek]

Sources that I put about as much stock in as Midnight's Edge, so you know...BS. Also, humor

ETA: Over in another thread someone else posted an ME video. I didn't watch it but you're welcome to it as "source."

So who specifically?

Because even in that Midnight's Edge video you just linked, they say Kurtzman was just Renewed.

 

[fireproof78]

So who specifically?

Because even in that Midnight's Edge video you just linked, they say Kurtzman was just Renewed.

It was a joke, my friend. A joke. I put no stock in hearsay or rumors, specifically around Kurtzman. It's tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory nonsense that puts me off of this.

If you still don't follow then ask the person who posted the video. Beyond that, I don't know, and frankly don't care.

 

[TerryTrek]

It was a joke, my friend. A joke. I put no stock in hearsay or rumors, specifically around Kurtzman. It's tinfoil hat level conspiracy theory nonsense that puts me off of this.

If you still don't follow then ask the person who posted the video. Beyond that, I don't know, and frankly don't care.

So then why'd you randomly bring up internet rumors when I was critical of Kurtzman's decision?

Comes off really strange.

 

[fireproof78]

So then why'd you randomly bring up internet rumors when I was critical of Kurtzman's decision?

Comes off really strange.

I found humor in the situation and the constantly cycling rumors of Kurtman's in and out and whatnot. Never has a man's employment meant so much to people's who's lives are impacted so litte.

Regardless, I had a sensible chuckle. Nothing more; nothing less.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

There isn't the money for it. It shows how out of touch Kurtzman and co. are.

I disagree with you on this. SFA is going to cost very little to make. They'll reuse all of Discovery's assets, a younger cast of relative unknowns means lower salaries. Even if they get someone like David Cronenberg to headline it, the guy has quite literally said he will work for very little money. It will be shot in canada which is also much cheaper than LA. I would also argue that a 25th Century series will be inexpensive. The biggest expenses for Picard are shooting in LA and the TNG cast salaries. Filming would most likely move to Toronto and with only Todd Stashwick and Jeri Ryan headlining, cast costs will be much, much less. I think there will also be a return to bottle show type storytelling, which Picard Season 3 and SNW Season 1 has shown can work very well.

Paramount would have looked at the subscription numbers and the positive critical response around Picard and realised that a 25th century show will bring them dollars. It will happen and I wouldn't be surprised if an announcement is made on First contact day or at the very least once Picard season 3 ends.