Constitution Class Ships Seem To Be Everywhere

[Phaser Two]

First of all that isn't the "whole point" of fandom and even if you believe that, it certainly doesn't need to be that way. A lot of people on this board certainly take batshit crazy theories and speculations to an extreme. Embarrassingly so sometimes.

Trekbbs can be something better than that but only if people want it to be better.

Fandom is whatever people want it to be. That's part of the fun. If people want to speculate and make theories and have fun doing so, I'm not clear on why you have to profanely denigrate them, imply that the board needs to be "better," or call them "embarrassing," and it's not just this once; you do it all the time. To my knowledge, no one has ever dressed you down over it using aggressive language, either.

Maybe just sit the sorts of discussions out that you don't like and we'll just mark you down for being profanely embarrassed for the boxscore.

 

[Maurice]

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However, since the whole point of fandom (and thus this forum) is to speculate on an in-universe explanation for discrepancies[...]

Nnnnnnope.

 

[Admiral2]

Sigh! But you're forgetting that TOS special effects were considered STATE OF THE ART in 1966. Oh boy. Viewers at the time didn't see the episodes' sfx shown as "limited". The producers did what they did because they thought it could be done.

And they did it! Good for them. The fact that the producers of TNG had more technology to work with twenty years later doesn't diminish their achievement, And in universe, it's perfectly understandable that the technology of the 24th Century would both look and function better than the technology of the 23rd.

And it's in universe I'm talking about So far the responses I've gotten have to do with production, writing and worldbuilding, which I already know about (except maybe for Timo, whose answer is nonsense but at least it fits in universe). So I'll ask it again: What is so wrong, in the universe that actually exists already, with two or more ships of the same class meeting in space that inspires some posters to resort to alchemy and voodoo to deny what we've seen on screen is what we saw?

 

[Admiral2]

What do you mean? No, you don't refit it if it's broken - you do everything you can to avoid refitting it, this doing including (and probably being limited to) fixing it. Else you could just as well buy a new one, because obviously you hate the old one for its failings.

You're conflating refits with Upgrades. In nautical terms "refitting" indeed means "repairing." You take the ship into dock, find out what's wrong with her and repair her until she's in a state of readiness comparable to launching. You upgrade a ship by adding new technology to the structure and controls. Now I know, the distinction Is lost on you because you think both are problematic, but mostt of the time they're more cost effective than just building newer ships with more bells and whistles.

Because they refit? I explained why I feel refitting (as opposed to buying new ones, or repairing old ones) establishes certain things. That's the "again" part here; feel free to go back to it if need be.

Timo Saloniemi

So more inference. Just give us damn quote saying that. Anywhere in canon.

Admiral2

 

[Dukhat]

So I'll ask it again: What is so wrong, in the universe that actually exists already, with two or more ships of the same class meeting in space that inspires some posters to resort to alchemy and voodoo to deny what we've seen on screen is what we saw?

I gave you my answer, but you seem to want to ignore it. So there you go.

Although I will say that I haven't denied what was seen on screen. In TOS, we see the Enterprise meet the Constellation, the Exeter, the Defiant, and the four other Connies in 'The Ultimate Computer.' And the evidence in dialogue seems to indicate that the Intrepid is most likely a Connie too, even though we didn't see her on screen.

So more inference. Just give us damn quote saying that. Anywhere in canon.

Good luck with that.

 

[BK613]

You're conflating refits with Upgrades. In nautical terms "refitting" indeed means "repairing." You take the ship into dock, find out what's wrong with her and repair her until she's in a state of readiness comparable to launching. You upgrade a ship by adding new technology to the structure and controls. Now I know, the distinction Is lost on you because you think both are problematic, but most of the time they're more cost effective than just building newer ships with more bells and whistles.

Nope. As I posted earlier, the Navy uses the terms repair, maintenance, upgrade and refit appropriately. Refit is generally reserved for those upgrades that require a modification of the existing ship in order for the upgrade to fit or for modifications to existing structure to improve safety, efficiency, etc..
When the 1/4 HP blower motors on the boilers were upgraded to 1/3 HP motors, it was called an upgrade because the new motors were installed on the old motors' mounts.
When the emergency diesel generator was upgraded, it was a refit because they had rearrange the whole space to make it fit including moving the switchboard to different bulkhead.
Been there done that....

 

[Maurice]

I hate "Connie" for "Constitution". In the US Navy "Connie" meant the Constellation.

 

[BK613]

I hate "Connie" for "Constitution". In the US Navy "Connie" meant the Constellation.

Also in civil aviation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation

 

[ZapBrannigan]

My grandmother's name was Concetta, but when she got to America people started calling her Connie. She changed it to Elizabeth, because Connie sounds just like cani, the Italian word for dogs.

 

[Neopeius]

I hate "Connie" for "Constitution". In the US Navy "Connie" meant the Constellation.

The "Consty"?

 

[Maurice]

The "Consty"?

Must we "veggie" everything to two syllables?

 

[Phaser Two]

Must we "veggie" everything to two syllables?

Really. That one was bad. Frankly I've never used "Connie" myself either.

 

[Tim Thomason]

The "Consty"?

The "Stella"

 

[BK613]

Old Duranium Sides?

 

[Dukhat]

I hate "Connie" for "Constitution". In the US Navy "Connie" meant the Constellation.

Must we "veggie" everything to two syllables?

Really. That one was bad. Frankly I've never used "Connie" myself either.

Tell you what. Because I like you guys so much, I will refrain from using the term 'Connie.' I will henceforth use the term 'Tooshy.' I hope that meets with everyone's satisfaction.

 

[Phaser Two]

Tell you what. Because I like you guys so much, I will refrain from using the term 'Connie.' I will henceforth use the term 'Tooshy.' I hope that meets with everyone's satisfaction.

And I'm not one of those who will tell you what to do or type to improve my board experience, either. You just won't see me using that expression.

 

[Mytran]

Must we "veggie" everything to two syllables?

Such abbreviations have a long tradition in the English language.
For example it's where we got words like "soccer" from, because nobody wanted to say "Association Rules Football" all the time

 

[Maurice]

I refer to the "cutesie" sounding things where a long "e" sound gets stuck on the end as part of the current American linguistic fad of infantilizing language. This too shall pass...like roughage.

 

[Dukhat]

But roughagee sounds so cute though!

 

[BK613]

Such abbreviations have a long tradition in the English language.
For example it's where we got words like "soccer" from, because nobody wanted to say "Association Rules Football" all the time

My college professor called it "truncation" but Wikipedia calls it clipping:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(morphology)