Consider this about Kirk's promotion...
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You're misremembering the sequence of scenes. Pike said that to Kirk in the bar after the fight with Cupcake.
After the hearing about the simulation, Pike says, "That's enough Mister Kirk, you've had enough attention for one day." Or something similar showing obvious disappointment.
Kirk informs Pike of the whole lightning storm deal*, then as a prank on Spock, Pike makes Kirk the first officer.
* Pike wrote his dissertation on the lightning storm in space / Kirk's dad's death, and was sitting right behind Chekov when he did the whole "lightning storm in space" report over the ship-wide communications. Pike remembers the dissertation so vividly that he mentions it to Kirk in the bar, but utterly forgets about it until Kirk reminds him three years later.
First post. Read this thread while eating and had to put in my view.
Kirk had talent. He has shown that he can see situations where others don't, and can see solutions where others don't.
Saving the planet was a result of his talent. He was given rapid promotion because of this raw natural talent and not simply for saving the planet. Pike recognized it in the bar scene, and the actions during the Nero incident only proved this first impression.
IMO the Federation at this point in time seemed pretty down, Pike mentions it, and the shuttles etc: looked pretty ratty. Maybe something changed since the Kelvin, maybe it became hard for the Federation to attract the best and the brightest. It might have become a complacent place of pure average, where toeing the line was the sure fire way to work your way to the captain seat and then retirement.
Then Kirk comes along, where a bunch of Starships and their entire crew are wiped out in seconds and a planet destroyed he goes in and just works the situation and wins.
What do you do in this situation if you're the lead guy? He is a symbol of everything the Federation wants.
In short he is your best and your brightest. Tough to the career officers. Maybe they should have tried harder.
Kirk had talent. He has shown that he can see situations where others don't, and can see solutions where others don't.
Saving the planet was a result of his talent. He was given rapid promotion because of this raw natural talent and not simply for saving the planet. Pike recognized it in the bar scene, and the actions during the Nero incident only proved this first impression.
IMO the Federation at this point in time seemed pretty down, Pike mentions it, and the shuttles etc: looked pretty ratty. Maybe something changed since the Kelvin, maybe it became hard for the Federation to attract the best and the brightest. It might have become a complacent place of pure average, where toeing the line was the sure fire way to work your way to the captain seat and then retirement.
Then Kirk comes along, where a bunch of Starships and their entire crew are wiped out in seconds and a planet destroyed he goes in and just works the situation and wins.
What do you do in this situation if you're the lead guy? He is a symbol of everything the Federation wants.
In short he is your best and your brightest. Tough to the career officers. Maybe they should have tried harder.
Overgeeked, no misremembering; I've seen the film 10 times. Pike made his pitch with blood coming out of Kirk's nose. He knew what he wanted, and it was Jim Kirk.
Pike had no trouble dealing with Kirk on the bridge; he listened to him and found him rational. Pike plainly told Spock that making Kirk first officer was not a prank.
Spock thought so, but that was Spock's epiphany for the story -- to come to view Kirk as the unique, dynamic individual he is.
Pike had no trouble dealing with Kirk on the bridge; he listened to him and found him rational. Pike plainly told Spock that making Kirk first officer was not a prank.
Spock thought so, but that was Spock's epiphany for the story -- to come to view Kirk as the unique, dynamic individual he is.
Okay, since I'm ignoring them: What are they?
So, you want everyone to acknowledge the greatness of your opinion without questioning, presenting alternatives, and backing up their positions?
Well if you insist....
. I think...or at least I used to think that rational people would agree with me about this promotion. Apparently that's not the case....It looked so odd with him as Cappy at the end...I didn't care for Roger Eberts review of the film but he said "it felt like bring your kid to work day"..and that's how this promotion made me feel....it was all too rushed...like hurry up the movie is ending we need to promote him!!!
Saving the planet is ultimate huh?? You're one of them tree hugger types ain't ye....
That would be saving the planet from Vulcan's fate.
But what about this Jeri: Is that true...I only saw the movie twice and I really can't remember
Kirk informs Pike of the whole lightning storm deal*,
* Pike wrote his dissertation on the lightning storm in space / Kirk's dad's death, and was sitting right behind Chekov when he did the whole "lightning storm in space" report over the ship-wide communications. Pike remembers the dissertation so vividly that he mentions it to Kirk in the bar, but utterly forgets about it until Kirk reminds him three years later.
I thought the laughing head at the end of the post would signify that I'm just joking around.
I don't see a point in there.
I thought the laughing head at the end of the post would signify that I'm just joking around.
Maybe less Joking and more thinking.
So saving the Whole of the Federation from a threat that took out 47 Klingon BOP's and 7 Starfleet Starships, destroyed a key federation planet, was about to destroy another KEY Federation Planet, and could very well if left unchecked destroy every other Federation Planet (because gawd knows the Federation would be able to handle a ship from the 24th century... Oh wait IT TOOK OUT 7 STARSHIPS..... Notice the Enterprise only took the Narada on directly long enough to retrieve Spock, Kirk, and Pike and allow the Jellyfish to ram it. Realistically everyone on the Enterprise should have been made captain, but there can only be ONE captain of the Enterprise and the man in charge at the moment was Kirk.
This is all fuming about nothing because you don't like a story point. Well that was the story, like it or don't like it I personally feel he got what he desereved because nobody else was going to be able to stop him. Seeing as if Earth was destroyed who would have been able to report that a Romulan ship destroyed it. If Kirk had followed Spock's original course of action Earth would have been destroyed, we are unsure if the Federation had enough firepower to take Nero's ship on when it reached the Telerite homeworld or the Andorian Home world.
Look at the big picture. Kirk didn't do a small "Hey I saved the world here guys give me a starship. HE SAVED THE WHOLE FEDERATION.. PERIOD, End of Argument. The man earned his captancy no matter what YOU think the way Starfleet is supposed to work Starfleet works how it fits the story and since it's the story of legends doing the legendary stuff they do.. Kirk gets a motherhugging starship at the end because he saved the god damn Federation..... Live with it.
^^^ Actually you need to do less "thinking" and more joking...see I like to have fun on a message board......IT'S A FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD.....and I'll joke how and whenever the fuck I like. It's the people who have sticks up their ass that are real downers. So what if people don't like he was promoted....SO FUCKIN WHAT.............. and duh you can't please everybody so there will always be dissent for fuck's sake.
And who wouldn't get the joke that I said saving the planet is overrated...COME ON NOW ....do I really need to hold your hand down the garden path....geesh!
Oh and PS ...you're the one who's fuming..I practically see smoke coming out of your post you're so pissed.
But yeah he did earn his captancy...I agree with that, but it shouldn't of been right away IMO...like I said if felt like hurry up the movie is ending and we need to make him cappy so he's all ready to go by the next installment. And I too can say Period end of argument......so i'm saying it...PERIOD, end of argument.
And who wouldn't get the joke that I said saving the planet is overrated...COME ON NOW ....do I really need to hold your hand down the garden path....geesh!
Oh and PS ...you're the one who's fuming..I practically see smoke coming out of your post you're so pissed.
But yeah he did earn his captancy...I agree with that, but it shouldn't of been right away IMO...like I said if felt like hurry up the movie is ending and we need to make him cappy so he's all ready to go by the next installment. And I too can say Period end of argument......so i'm saying it...PERIOD, end of argument.
No it's not a point it was a question...is what Overgeeked saying is true? That Pike did a dissertation on the lightning Storm....but doesn't remember about it when Chekov does the shipwide report?
Cakes488, Pike was assigned the USS Kelvin as a dissertation topic, not a lightning storm in space as the topic.
Pike had already been told that Vulcan was having a natural catastrophe, and no one ever connected the lightning storm to a natural catastrophe.
In fact, the lightning storm may not have been firmly connected with the massive Romulan ship as a cause. No Romulan ship was included in the communique from Vulcan that Admiral Barnett read.
Pike had already been told that Vulcan was having a natural catastrophe, and no one ever connected the lightning storm to a natural catastrophe.
In fact, the lightning storm may not have been firmly connected with the massive Romulan ship as a cause. No Romulan ship was included in the communique from Vulcan that Admiral Barnett read.
You only THINK I'm fuming as you have no idea what is really going on behind your screen.
And no when you have a huge pr opportunity you take advantage of it RIGHT AWAY. you don't wait till the people for get and go "Who the Hell is James T. Kirk."
You promote him right away to play on that and say "This is the face of Starfleet, the Hero of the battle with the Narada, the man who saved Earth and the Federation after the tragic loss of Vulcan. He will be the captain of our newest and most advanced ship. He is the captain of the Federation Flagship the Enterprise." It's Public Relations you use it to grab the attention of those who might be looking for a purpose in life and bring them in to Starfleet (Which lost a whole graduating class of cadets, and several hundred veteran officers).
I believe he was assigned to the Kelvin for his dissertation research. Dissertation topics are usually selected by the candidate.
I read an interview that said Bruce Greenwood came up with a big detailed backstory for his character, so maybe we'll hear more about it in the future.
The word "to" does tend to disappear in rapid speech (I know because I've had epic arguments with people while transcribing speech data in the phonetic over whether someone said "blah to blah" or "blah blah") but then I am also a little hard of hearing and I've only seen it twice (damn my student budget and lack of car!).
Personally, I was tickled at the idea of a Starfleet that demands meaty research and Publish Or Perish from its greatest badasses...
Firebottle, ...greatest badasses... I love Bruce Greenwood; been kinda following him for a few years. I am looking forward to hearing about that, too!
In the novelization, it says that Sulu has a doctorate in astrophysics. I think it was a hiccup of fate that he forgot to take off the parking brake.
I love Bruce Greenwood; been kinda following him for a few years. I am looking forward to hearing about that, too! In the novelization, it says that Sulu has a doctorate in astrophysics. I think it was a hiccup of fate that he forgot to take off the parking brake.
The Narada was about to destroy the Enterprise, like it had done with the
other starships, but Nero noticed the registry and halted his attack. He realized that (young) Spock was on board, and also wanted to "show him something". That is why the Enterprise was not initially destroyed, but could have been. When Kirk is on the bridge pointing out the similarity of the "lightening storm", he also informs Pike of Uhura over hearing the escape from the prison planet and the attack and destruction of the Klingon ships by a single, and very large Romulan ship, just like the Kelvin
incident. It is not only the "lightning storm" description, but the other
similar components that convince Pike to heed Kirk's warning.
other starships, but Nero noticed the registry and halted his attack. He realized that (young) Spock was on board, and also wanted to "show him something". That is why the Enterprise was not initially destroyed, but could have been. When Kirk is on the bridge pointing out the similarity of the "lightening storm", he also informs Pike of Uhura over hearing the escape from the prison planet and the attack and destruction of the Klingon ships by a single, and very large Romulan ship, just like the Kelvin
incident. It is not only the "lightning storm" description, but the other
similar components that convince Pike to heed Kirk's warning.
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