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I have just been suggested by what passes for free careers advice over here that all Aspergers people are natural computer experts and programmers, so should aim for that.
Whoever said that is full of shit. It is true that some of the traits common to people with AS can lend themselves well to some IT disciplines, but the idea that all people with Asperger's are "natural computer experts" exhibits such a shallow understanding of the condition that, frankly, I would ignore anything that person said to you.

So -- I would say don't force yourself to do something you're not interested in out of some feeling that it's your biological destiny. But, if you do try it and find that you enjoy it, dyslexia and trouble with math do not have to stand in your way. Here's an interesting article on why dyslexia isn't as big a barrier to coding as it might seem:

https://medium.com/@mrsimonbennett/coding-with-dyslexia-a28439cdb698

Regarding how to learn, I don't know about the U.K., but many U.S. public libraries offer their cardholders free access to Lynda.com (now called LinkedIn Learning), which is a huge library of online courses in a variety of technical and design disciplines. Somebody who's actually a programmer (I am not) would be better able to help you decide where to start from among the thousands of courses available, but if you can get access to Lynda, it should be a great resource.
 
If you've never coded before, I think it would be easier to learn the fundamental concepts generically first, such as variables, data types, objects, conditionals, operators, etc. Once you are familiar with the theoretical concepts, that gives you a good foundation to get into specific languages and their individual implementations of the concepts.
Can anyone here explain those concepts please? I have never studied computer science and it looks like I’ll never be able to afford to.
 
Can anyone here explain those concepts please?

If I may be perfectly blunt, if you can't be arsed to google five definitions for yourself this career is not for you.

I have never studied computer science and it looks like I’ll never be able to afford to.

Here is the Intro to CS and Programming course form MIT, every single lecture of which is available for free on youtube, links are on the site:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electri...nce-and-programming-fall-2008/video-lectures/

And here's a Programming Methodology course form Stanford, also all available entirely for free on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=84A56BC7F4A1F852

(Finding that took 2 seconds of googling)
 
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If I may be perfectly blunt, if you can't be arsed to google five definitions for yourself this career is not for you.

I completely concur with this observation given the amount of research that is required for most IT roles and gaining those skills.
 
I have to admit (with more than a little self-deprecating amusement) that I think there are times when people think I really know what I'm talking about with regards to computers, when in actuality I was just really good at Googling and finding the relevant websites to help me figure out what I was trying to do.
 
I have a formal diagnosis, wish that I hadn’t, it is life-ruining, it’s now on my NHS records for life, which will be catastrophic.

My existing degree isn’t in a STEM subject, I just want to say it’s not related to science, maths or computers. I’d like to leave the matter there.

I have just been suggested by what passes for free careers advice over here that all Aspergers people are natural computer experts and programmers, so should aim for that. I never contemplated the subject of computer science at university as I noticed the degrees all required A-level maths (and sometimes maths and physics), which I didn’t/don’t have. So it’s only something I hadn’t even vaguely thought of for years.

Essentially, I’m asking if someone like me – no GCSE maths pass, very bad at maths, dyslexic as well – can actually even learn to program. I don’t have any means of funding any courses, FWIW (that’s an obvious thing I would’ve done already).

As far as I am aware Asperger's is not a notifiable condition so the fact that it is on your NHS record should have little impact on everyday life it just lets medical professionals know what conditions you suffer from should you need medical attention.

I suspect there is a little bit of hyperbole being used when these free careers advice people are saying "All" whilst it might be true that the professions you mention are more naturally suited to people with Asperger's syndrome it doesn't mean they will suit everyone. It might be more accurate to say those people who suffer from Asperger's are better suited to jobs where they often work alone.

There an be many reasons for a career change, but surely one of the key reasons is that you unhappy in your current career more often than you are happy. After all many of us have days at work where we are unhappy.
 
I resent bringing spoken to by a user above as if I am Downs or similar and have inability to learn – I have an existing degree, so I am able to learn. I don’t have a computer science degree, however, and can’t realistically afford to. I wish I had not mentioned the Aspegers element so I would not be spoken down to like I am handicapped or lazy.

I certainly didn't mean to come across like that and if that was aimed at me, apologies.
 
So what do you think of the free study resources that have been suggested in this thread?

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I’m not sure how they would help me get a job as they don’t lead to qualifications as recognised by the systems in England & Wales, I could be the best programmer in the world and not get a job as I don’t have the qualifications for even entry level jobs I’ve seen advertised. Also I feel too intimidated to look at the university videos as I don’t have the A-Levels (maths and physics) that computer science degree require for entry here, so I don’t know if I’ll understand any of it.
 
Also I feel too intimidated to look at the university videos as I don’t have the A-Levels (maths and physics) that computer science degree require for entry here, so I don’t know if I’ll understand any of it.

Only one way to find out, watch them. Formal qualifications are really just a token, what counts is what you know and what you can do. I have no IT qualifications but I work in IT.

What jobs are you looking at that require computer science degrees.

You have powerful information and guidance at your finger tips. You can instantly access learning tools and support from anywhere at any time. There are forums dedicated to every aspect of computing, free to join and read. Communities stuffed full of technically minded people that are happy to help anyone with a question.

At this point, my honest advice to you is that you go search google for computer science, and if that doesn’t set you on your way, it’s just not for you.

You can lead a horse to water..,
 
It would show a willingness to learn new skills from scratch and you would be able to add those certificates to your CV.
As I said, I can’t get funding for further qualifications, as the system in England and Wales currently stands, so I cannot afford to get training to get new certificates added to my CV. Otherwise I would’ve done it years ago.
 
As I said, I can’t get funding for further qualifications, as the system in England and Wales currently stands, so I cannot afford to get training to get new certificates added to my CV. Otherwise I would’ve done it years ago.

And I and others have pointed you in the direction of ways into this field and you seem hell-bent on only getting a degree in the field and you're not really giving me (and others I'll assume) the impression you actually want to pursue programming.

As for the funding part, who's told you this? Your advisor who advised you to enter the field in the first place or is it an assumption on your behalf that you haven't checked to confirm?

There are possibilities of Post-Graduate funding for UK/EU citizens in the UK right now, a loan system similar to the Under-Graduate loan system and also most universities offer schemes for Post-Graduate to allow individuals to upskill and gain a Masters. Given your recent diagnosis and you're wanting to retrain, you certainly could be eligible for the latter. And you have said you already have a Degree, you could inquire about seeing if your former University offers any financial aid.

As for certificates to add to your CV, I would advise you not to turn your nose up at them, it demonstrates a willingness to learn and grow beyond that of your original degree. Think of it like a car, your degree is the base model, it's nice and all, but getting some extras makes it even better, that's what gaining a handful of Certs in your own time will do, make your CV (and by extension) yourself more appealing to employers.
 
And I and others have pointed you in the direction of ways into this field and you seem hell-bent on only getting a degree in the field and you're not really giving me (and others I'll assume) the impression you actually want to pursue programming.

As for the funding part, who's told you this? Your advisor who advised you to enter the field in the first place or is it an assumption on your behalf that you haven't checked to confirm?

There are possibilities of Post-Graduate funding for UK/EU citizens in the UK right now, a loan system similar to the Under-Graduate loan system and also most universities offer schemes for Post-Graduate to allow individuals to upskill and gain a Masters. Given your recent diagnosis and you're wanting to retrain, you certainly could be eligible for the latter. And you have said you already have a Degree, you could inquire about seeing if your former University offers any financial aid.

As for certificates to add to your CV, I would advise you not to turn your nose up at them, it demonstrates a willingness to learn and grow beyond that of your original degree. Think of it like a car, your degree is the base model, it's nice and all, but getting some extras makes it even better, that's what gaining a handful of Certs in your own time will do, make your CV (and by extension) yourself more appealing to employers.
I looked into postgraduate, the issues are:
1.) the student loan would not be anywhere enough to live on for a year once the tuition fee is paid
2.) the tuition fee would have to be paid for upfront, which I couldn’t afford (and the course would want evidence that you could afford to take the course without dropping out)
3.) the financial risk would be enormous seeing I have no idea if I’d be able to learn programming
4.) My two local universities don’t do any relevant masters in computer science and/or IT that I would be admitted to based on my previous qualifications

So it isn’t affordable even with the new loan system. It’s not like taking a degree aged 18, it’s an enormous financial risk.

As for “certificates”, I’d happily do those (could I afford to) as long as they are accredited, recognised qualifications under our system. I don’t want to be conned into getting something that employers in the UK won’t even recognise.
 
@Galactic Alignment, it would help us all out if we were aware of your previous degree and your current field.

It’s not like taking a degree aged 18,

I was 29, going on 30 when I went back to University to study BSc Applied Computing (with half a degree under my belt from ten years previously) so I wouldn't agree on that.

As for “certificates”, I’d happily do those (could I afford to) as long as they are accredited, recognised qualifications under our system. I don’t want to be conned into getting something that employers in the UK won’t even recognise.

Do the research and find out, plenty of us in this thread have pointed you were to look. You need to be pro-active about it and do the research.
 
@Galactic Alignment, it would help us all out if we were aware of your previous degree and your current field.



I was 29, going on 30 when I went back to University to study BSc Applied Computing (with half a degree under my belt from ten years previously) so I wouldn't agree on that.



Do the research and find out, plenty of us in this thread have pointed you were to look. You need to be pro-active about it and do the research.
Well, you obviously had a lot of money stashed away to take a degree later in life. I’ve looked at postgraduate, it’s unaffordable, I wouldn’t be able to pay the deposit required by the application, let alone the full tuition fee upfront. My local universities don’t do any conversion type courses at Masters levels, even if I could afford them. You don’t understand, we don’t all have lots of money to take courses.
 
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I was asking about programming, now I’m under assault by wealthy boasters who don’t understand that some of us don’t have the money for expensive postgraduate courses. I’d love to do studies at that level, wanted to years ago, but it’s not affordable for many people, it comes with high financial risks. I will not risk bankruptcy.
 
I.
Don’t.
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The.
Money.
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Postgraduate.

I was asking about programming, now I’m under assault by wealthy boasters who don’t understand that some of us don’t have the money for expensive postgraduate courses. I’d love to do studies at that level, wanted to years ago, but it’s not affordable for many people, it comes with high financial risks. I will not risk bankruptcy.

Seriously? that's the take away you take from what I said, I scrimped and saved and owe a shit tonne of money to HMG because I decided to go back to uni and get a degree in a field I wanted to learn and grow and felt genuine passion for.

You need to start reading what people say, not assuming what they're saying and not be so closed and single minded on things.

Yes you could learn a Programming Language or two or three, with your attitude on display, I doubt you actually will though.
 
Whoever told you that people with Asperger's are all good at computer programming is dead wrong. It makes me upset that someone would give you such terrible advice. Ignore what they said. If you are questioning whether you would be good at or would like computer programming, which it sounds like you are, then don't pursue that field.

I am a fellow Aspie. I see it as a badge of honor, not a curse. It means that you have a special way of thinking about the world that not many other people have experienced. I found it very helpful to connect with others who have been diagnosed. Wrong Planet is an excellent online forum where you can do this. There is even a section specifically for job advice.

Are Aspies typically better at pattern recognition? Yes. Are they often logical thinkers who can be quite focused on technical details? Yes. Are they all expert computer programmers? Hell no. I have a history degree and now work as an archivist.

Career counselors are just regular people. They don't have some special innate ability to know exactly what you should be doing with your life. As annoying as it is to hear, only YOU can choose your path. I definitely understand how frustrating that is. I did not come by my current career overnight. When I was in high school, college, and even after college, I had a great deal of anxiety over what my career path would be. I could not figure out what I wanted to do, and was baffled at how it seemed to be so obvious to other people. I was envious of the society in the book The Giver, where everyone was assigned a career as a teenager. I wished someone would come along and just assign me a job.

Thank goodness that's not how things turned out. It just took time to figure out what I wanted to do, probably longer than most. In the meantime, I applied to a temp agency at a local university. A few months later I got a call from them and started work there in an HR department. Not thrilling stuff, but I did well and learned a lot. And learning what I DIDN'T want to spend my time doing helped me to realize what I DID want to spend my time doing. So I would say that, if you aren't yet sure what you want your career to be, don't focus so much on "career" right now. Focus on just finding a "job" instead. Something to get you by and pay the bills. And while that's happening, you can explore other fields and maybe eventually have some money saved up to take courses in those fields. And if you work for a university like I did, they may even give you a good discount on courses.

I think that books, TV, and movies give the perception that most people decide what they want to do, study in that field, then get a job in that field out of college. Not true. Most people aren't totally sure what they want to do, and get to their final "dream job" (if they ever even get to it) through a very circuitous route of odd jobs through different fields. In this way, having Asperger's has little or nothing to do with what you are going through at the moment. This is actually a way in which you can relate to neurotypicals (NTs). Do not feel rushed to find your perfect career today. Just find something that occupies your time and pays your bills, and work your way up from there.
 
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