Notice how similar both franchises are? the first two movies of their series are landmark movies of pure entertainment in the Sci-fi genre, both third movies are the beginning of the end of their series but T4 was at least fun where Alien Resurrection isn't too bad.
Compare The Terminator franchise to the Alien series.
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Each also seemed to carry an inescapable sense of doom. In Terminator no matter what changes were made to the timeline, the world seemed on a collision course with Skynet and an apocalyptic future. In Alien(s) the xenomorphs seem to be getting closer and closer to falling into the hands of the corporation, and ending up on Earth.
Both are obvious allegories to the deep concern about the future of humankind, IMHO.
Both are obvious allegories to the deep concern about the future of humankind, IMHO.
Both franchises had James Cameron involved with them: he created Terminator and made Aliens... the man knows how to make a slam bang action flick. Also notice both series threw away much of the mythology for thier third installments.
Assuming you could contain the egos, I think a Cameron/ Ridley Scott collaboration would be awesome.
Assuming you could contain the egos, I think a Cameron/ Ridley Scott collaboration would be awesome.
Maybe too awesome, causing our eyeballs to explode due to not being able to handle the epic awesomeness.
Isn't that the ONLY sequel he's made to one of his movies?
In any case, between the moral dilemma regarding Dawson, the complex relationship Sarah had with her son, and the subtle commentary on the human condition from Arnold's Terminator, I would argue T2 was every bit as smart as T1.
Hell, it might have been even smarter.
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Wow, to condemn T2 as just the first with more explosions is missing the point. It completely flips the first movie's conventions, first by making Arnold the good guy and the scrawny guy the baddie. Then it adds a whole new level with the Sarah-John relationship and it has the whole "stop judgment day" angle. Sure, T2 has pretty much the same plot line as the first, but that's actually the point of the film. What this thread really illustrates is what happens when you drop a good director for a hack. Although, Alien 3 did have Fincher, he just didn't have the control he does now.
I have a feeling if the first two Alien movies didn't exist, Alien 3 would be regarded a lot more highly by critics and scifi fans than it is.
Unfortunately it would be hard for ANY movie to follow Alien and Aliens. Even James Cameron probably would have had a hard time coming up with a premise as good as the one for Aliens.
Unfortunately it would be hard for ANY movie to follow Alien and Aliens. Even James Cameron probably would have had a hard time coming up with a premise as good as the one for Aliens.
Well, "Aliens" is just the 50s movie "Them!" on another planet...
As for T2, making Arnie the hero was more a result of Arnie's popularity as a Hollywood actor more than anything else, the dilemma with Dyson had been done in a movie called "Cyborg" back in the 60s (and it was handled there much better really), Sarah was pretty much a totally different character than the more human character of T1, and the "Stop Judgment Day" thing never made sense to me since the whole series is about a Stable Time Loop (which is why I wasn't upset by T3).
As for A3, I think I've stated enough times about that movie.
As for T2, making Arnie the hero was more a result of Arnie's popularity as a Hollywood actor more than anything else, the dilemma with Dyson had been done in a movie called "Cyborg" back in the 60s (and it was handled there much better really), Sarah was pretty much a totally different character than the more human character of T1, and the "Stop Judgment Day" thing never made sense to me since the whole series is about a Stable Time Loop (which is why I wasn't upset by T3).
As for A3, I think I've stated enough times about that movie.
Alien franchise? what Alien franchise? there is Aliens and there is nothing else.
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I doubt it. It would have a cult following at best. Worse case scenario, it could be the OUTLANDER of it's time (I haven't seen Outlander, partly because it was not given a wide release in the USA)
What's that movie about the bald chick on the prison planet with the monster and everything is dark?
A smaller, darker first film that set a high mark. Sarah Connor/Ellen Ripley, a secondary character, is the only notable survivor. There is only one creature/terminator.
A larger, much more action oriented second film, that still holds onto the spirit. The secondary character who survived the previous film has been elevated to the lead. There is more than one creature/terminator.
A third film that breaks little ground in comparison to the previous two installments, but manages to hold onto what is probably the darkest ending in the series.
A fourth installment that is victim to cuts enforced by the studio, and the expanding ego of its leading actor/actress. Both will (probably) have much more time for their characters in the extended DVD versions. Both are (visually) well-made.
I think you can draw the comparisons, but some may be superficial in order to fit the analogy. There's plenty of ways in which they differ.
A larger, much more action oriented second film, that still holds onto the spirit. The secondary character who survived the previous film has been elevated to the lead. There is more than one creature/terminator.
A third film that breaks little ground in comparison to the previous two installments, but manages to hold onto what is probably the darkest ending in the series.
A fourth installment that is victim to cuts enforced by the studio, and the expanding ego of its leading actor/actress. Both will (probably) have much more time for their characters in the extended DVD versions. Both are (visually) well-made.
I think you can draw the comparisons, but some may be superficial in order to fit the analogy. There's plenty of ways in which they differ.
Perhaps, although from where I'm sitting, the first film is a horror film, the second film is an action film, and the third film is...a horror film (that isn't all that scary) combined with some action set-pieces. But, as I indicated earlier, in order to draw the comparison, some unfair generalities were probably drawn. And, to be honest, not only do I appreciate Alien 3, but I also think Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is unfairly maligned as well.
Combine The Terminator franchise and the Alien series.
they already did that. Aliens VS Predator VS Terminator.
i shit you not.
i shit you not.
Oh man, I've read that, it was TERRIBLE and, I believe, it was the comic that Ripley 8 actually died in - what a horribly gimicky story for Ripley to bow out in...
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