Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Aide?

[RAnthony]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

You like Enterprise at all?????

There's a gem in nearly any coal mine. You just have to look hard to find 'em. Check out the two part In a Mirror, Darkly (a prequel to Mirror, Mirror) Perhaps the only truly enjoyable episodes, but they are there...

-RAnthony

 

[Just Plain Yogurt]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

You must remember there is a difference between a 2 hour movie & a series. For films, I want to be entertained from beginning to end, which I definitely was, more than any of the other Star Trek films. The little glimpses of the original show brought many smiles to my face & then I was just blown away by the story, effects & acting. Would I rather sit back & watch TOS in mini-marathons on Blu-Ray, sometimes. But as a movie, Star Trek rocked & may even take position as my favorite movie of all time. This was one movie that lived up to the hype for me.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

You must remember there is a difference between a 2 hour movie & a series. For films, I want to be entertained from beginning to end, which I definitely was, more than any of the other Star Trek films. The little glimpses of the original show brought many smiles to my face & then I was just blown away by the story, effects & acting. Would I rather sit back & watch TOS in mini-marathons on Blu-Ray, sometimes. But as a movie, Star Trek rocked & may even take position as my favorite movie of all time. This was one movie that lived up to the hype for me.

You know, that is something right there. There was so much build up and promotion, I was a touch worried that it couldn't possibly live up to that standard I had set in my head, which was quite high. It did, and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I can't wait to see it again.

J.

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I liked Seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise. I've been a TOS fan since I was 4, that was 25 years ago.

As for giving a fuck, I sure do, just not about you.
Go play somewhere else, kiddo. Adults are trying to talk.

J.

I'm not sure you comprehend or you are confused. This topic is for fans like me who don't drink the Kool Aid and who don't blindly buy in to it.

You like Enterprise at all????? WOW!! Nuff said!!! I don't even need to say anymore.

LOL!!

Your bitter sorrow is like delicious Cadbury easter eggs. Creamy on the inside, chocolate on the outside. I enjoy them one at a time, much like I enjoy a tall glass of iced tea. Mmm... the bitter sorrow is not too tart. It has a flavour.

J.

Whatever dude. I'm not as bitter as I sound. I'm actually in a good mood today. I'm all for Cadbury easter eggs and wish they could be around all year.

And I really don't have much to stand on myself when I enjoy many non canon Trek novels as much or more than the various series.

I shouldn't get down on fellow Trek fans too much when I'm sure we would have much to talk about and common interests. I'm sure as a fellow Trek fan Allen, we would have much in common to discuss.

 

[Jolantru]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I'm still on the fence, but honestly at this point, I'd almost rank this film above all other Star Trek films. IMO Khan is the only one that comes close. Other than that, out side of WoK, TUC, and FC, I really don't like any of the other films.

But I guess I'm not supposed to post here, since I drank the Kool Aid.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I'm not sure you comprehend or you are confused. This topic is for fans like me who don't drink the Kool Aid and who don't blindly buy in to it.

You like Enterprise at all????? WOW!! Nuff said!!! I don't even need to say anymore.

LOL!!

Your bitter sorrow is like delicious Cadbury easter eggs. Creamy on the inside, chocolate on the outside. I enjoy them one at a time, much like I enjoy a tall glass of iced tea. Mmm... the bitter sorrow is not too tart. It has a flavour.

J.

Whatever dude. I'm not as bitter as I sound. I'm actually in a good mood today. I'm all for Cadbury easter eggs and wish they could be around all year.

And I really don't have much to stand on myself when I enjoy many non canon Trek novels as much or more than the various series.

I shouldn't get down on fellow Trek fans too much when I'm sure we would have much to talk about and common interests. I'm sure as a fellow Trek fan Allen, we would have much in common to discuss.

Oh, I should let up anyway. I've been teasing the whole time. It doesn't bother me if you don't like the movie. I harbor no ill will of any kind against you or RAnthony, although that whole tears comment had to be a little creepy.

I think we could get together and enjoy Star Trek (in general). I love TOS, TNG and DS9, a little VOY and a little ENT. I think it would be fun.

J.

 

[Just Plain Yogurt]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

You must remember there is a difference between a 2 hour movie & a series. For films, I want to be entertained from beginning to end, which I definitely was, more than any of the other Star Trek films. The little glimpses of the original show brought many smiles to my face & then I was just blown away by the story, effects & acting. Would I rather sit back & watch TOS in mini-marathons on Blu-Ray, sometimes. But as a movie, Star Trek rocked & may even take position as my favorite movie of all time. This was one movie that lived up to the hype for me.

You know, that is something right there. There was so much build up and promotion, I was a touch worried that it couldn't possibly live up to that standard I had set in my head, which was quite high. It did, and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I can't wait to see it again.

J.

Me either....for the third time!

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

And what if they decide to recast the crew of TNG? I mean why not after this movie? Let's starting looking for a Jonathan Frakes lookalike right now cause he is too old for Riker.

After this film? In the hands of JJ Abrams? You bet! I'm ready.

Lemme tell you a little story. Eight years ago I came to this board for the first time. And a more hard-core DS9 fan you'd be hard-pressed to find. I think you could get several other board members to confirm that quite easily, in fact.

And for that entire eight-year history, I have always maintained that I was glad DS9 would never get a movie. Because I was 100% certain that B&B would fuck it up. And I didn't want DS9 fucked with. Not by them.

But after this film? If Abrams sees fit to ever use pieces of DS9 or a DS9 character in one of his Trek films? I would have NO reservations whatever.

So yeah...go get a replacement for Jonathan Frakes, if it's good for the story and good for Trek. Go get a replacement (and I NEVER thought I'd ever say this) for Avery Brooks if it's good for the story and good for Trek.

What I saw today in that theatre was spectacular. And clearly illustrated that Star Trek is bigger than ANY actor who was ever in it. Come to find out, even bigger than Shatner.

And to me, that is a good thing. Because it means that Trek will NOT die with the actors who played key roles in the past. It will LIVE. Hopefully for the rest of my life.

Not that their contributions should be forgotten. By no means. But the most important thing I took out of that theatre today was the realization that Star Trek can and will go on. And maybe....bigger and better than ever.

It can happen without William Shatner. It can happen without Rick Berman. It can happen without the frakkin' ghost of Gene Roddenberry, 'fer cryin' out loud.

The cast I saw today simply rocked. And for the first time in a very long time, Star Trek, under JJ Abrams, produced a fun and super-exciting film that I was REALLY pleased to have spent money to see.

Yeah - you are entitled to your opinion. Absolutely. But personally, I'd at least give it a chance and go to actually SEE it before you form that opinion. At the very least, it might give you some credibility when you come to complain about it.

It's up to you, of course...cus it's certainly no skin off my nose. In my mind, you are the one who is missing out, by not giving it a chance. But hey...that is certainly your right.

 

[RAnthony]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Let me ask something RAnthony, would you be saying the same things you have said here to a brand new fan of the franchise?

Would you tell this NEW fan that "Trek fandom is well and truly dead"?

This new fan that became a fan because of this new movie?

Reposting for RAnthony, I'd like a response.

Reposting your clueless responses doesn't make them any less clueless the second time around.

IF the new film does not hold true to what Trek was in Roddenberry's eye (which is a debatable point, considering what he signed off on during his tenure) and IF someone is a fan of Trek because of this irreparably flawed re-visioning of the 'franchise' (hate you, Paramount) THEN YES, I would say this to a new fan;

Trek Fandom is well and truly dead.

HOWEVER, having not seen the film (a valid point that J. keeps trying to pin me down on, did you miss it?) I can't definitively say whether the statement is true or not.

I'll probably have more to say later this week, on that subject....

-RAnthony

 

[archeryguy1701]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

If you stop and think about it, there is no way that this movie could have pleased everyone and still been the huge success that it is.

28th on the list of all time most grossing opening weekends.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/

Good, but not huge. Two of the three second trilogy Star Wars films finished higher. Last weeks Wolverine opening also finished higher (I have seen that one, it's pretty good) Personally, after 42 years of the franchise that defined fandom, I would have expected better. Chalk it up to Paramount's manhandling of the fans, I guess.

-RAnthony

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b123125_star_treks_big_box-office_bang.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a8ZQBDy9ydY8&refer=us

Of particular interest in these articles are the points that
a) On Friday alone, Star Trek beat the entire opening weekends for 9 of the 10 other Trek movies. And...
b)Before Star Trek, the best opening weekend the franchise has ever had was $30.7million.
Somehow, I have a really hard time worrying about Star Trek only opening at 28th best weekend of all time.

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

-RAnthony

I'm not sure what's funnier... the fact that you've pretty well decreed yourself judge, jury, and executioner on the fandom, or the fact that you're admittedly basing that judgement on the fact that most people disagree with your personal opinion.

Of course it matters because this is a topic about fans who aren't really into this movie and praise it as if its the best Trek movie ever, which its not. And my point is where does it stop because they could start making up tons of ridiculous shit and go the way of Enterprise. You don't give a fuck, well than you don't belong in this topic either. There are pages of praise for this movie so go post there. I find it quite funny that you are just a follower and have no opinion of your own.

Oh yea, you probably loved Enterprise right? Hahaha!!

I would say this thread is a pretty good representation of the other threads I've read around here. People who dislike the movie sit around and complain about how they get bashed on for that opinion. And then that same group of people makes statements like the above one that I've bolded. I've said it before, but you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I'm curious why everyone is so butt-hurt that people are enjoying the movie?!?

You want to hate the movie? Fine. I don't see an issue there. But certain posters/ groups need to stop acting like everyone who disagrees with them is a kool-aid drinking, opinionless follower who is a tool of the system. I can respect people with different opinions. I'm a little less respectful of people who aren't willing to act like grownups.

 

[Dale]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I've seen it four times in four days.

I must've freakin' drowned in the Kool-Aid.

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Your bitter sorrow is like delicious Cadbury easter eggs. Creamy on the inside, chocolate on the outside. I enjoy them one at a time, much like I enjoy a tall glass of iced tea. Mmm... the bitter sorrow is not too tart. It has a flavour.

J.

Whatever dude. I'm not as bitter as I sound. I'm actually in a good mood today. I'm all for Cadbury easter eggs and wish they could be around all year.

And I really don't have much to stand on myself when I enjoy many non canon Trek novels as much or more than the various series.

I shouldn't get down on fellow Trek fans too much when I'm sure we would have much to talk about and common interests. I'm sure as a fellow Trek fan Allen, we would have much in common to discuss.

Oh, I should let up anyway. I've been teasing the whole time. It doesn't bother me if you don't like the movie. I harbor no ill will of any kind against you or RAnthony, although that whole tears comment had to be a little creepy.

I think we could get together and enjoy Star Trek (in general). I love TOS, TNG and DS9, a little VOY and a little ENT. I think it would be fun.

J.

Oh well RAnthony still has some left in him so go for it and have a blast. I'll be heading to bed soon myself but it's funny that if I was in a bad mood, I might have dragged this out for hours and I'm still seeing my older posts quoted. Haha. Ok well, I'll have to deal with responding to them next time.

Have a good one.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I'm not saying you should. I'm saying, quite frankly, that I don't give a fuck that you've decided to boycott the movie in your own little way, beyond the hilarity that you think it somehow matters.

Yes, it's your right to hate the movie. Yes, it's your right to run around screaming and crying in rage about how much of this film is an injustice. Just don't expect much in the way of agreement beyond a few more diehards who have decided to be stubborn, because no one cares beyond an interesting car wreck.

J.

Of course it matters because this is a topic about fans who aren't really into this movie and praise it as if its the best Trek movie ever, which its not. And my point is where does it stop because they could start making up tons of ridiculous shit and go the way of Enterprise. You don't give a fuck, well than you don't belong in this topic either. There are pages of praise for this movie so go post there. I find it quite funny that you are just a follower and have no opinion of your own.

Oh yea, you probably loved Enterprise right? Hahaha!!

I liked Seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise. I've been a TOS fan since I was 4, that was 25 years ago.

As for giving a fuck, I sure do, just not about you.
Go play somewhere else, kiddo. Adults are trying to talk.

J.

Okey dokey....

How 'bout we simmer down, guys?

Let's everyone play nice.

Thanks!

 

[Jolantru]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Let me ask something RAnthony, would you be saying the same things you have said here to a brand new fan of the franchise?

Would you tell this NEW fan that "Trek fandom is well and truly dead"?

This new fan that became a fan because of this new movie?

Reposting for RAnthony, I'd like a response.

Reposting your clueless responses doesn't make them any less clueless the second time around.

IF the new film does not hold true to what Trek was in Roddenberry's eye (which is a debatable point, considering what he signed off on during his tenure) and IF someone is a fan of Trek because of this irreparably flawed re-visioning of the 'franchise' (hate you, Paramount) THEN YES, I would say this to a new fan;

Trek Fandom is well and truly dead.

HOWEVER, having not seen the film (a valid point that J. keeps trying to pin me down on, did you miss it?) I can't definitively say whether the statement is true or not.

I'll probably have more to say later this week, on that subject....

-RAnthony

I'm glad the "real fans" like you, don't like this film.

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

PKTrekgirl, gotta go soon but good points. I'll have to get to them later.

 

[RAnthony]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

a) On Friday alone, Star Trek beat the entire opening weekends for 9 of the 10 other Trek movies. And...
b)Before Star Trek, the best opening weekend the franchise has ever had was $30.7million.
Somehow, I have a really hard time worrying about Star Trek only opening at 28th best weekend of all time.

The only way to measure historical figures is to adjust for 'inflation'. If you do that, none of the films fall in the top 100.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Although several Star Wars films do.

I'd love to see the returns for the 11 films in adjusted dollars. If someone has a link to that information, lay it on me.

In the meantime, I stand by my assertion that if Gene's vision isn't the ultimate judge of the state of the Star Trek 'franchise', then Trek fandom deserves to be declared dead.

...and I'll be glad to declare it so if the movie doesn't stand up.

DON"T MISS THE IF! That's the important bit.

-RAnthony

 

[RAnthony]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I'm glad the "real fans" like you, don't like this film.

It's amazing how few readers troll this BBS.

No, really.

-RAnthony.

 

[Kaziarl]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

My only opinion on liking/not liking the movie is the same thing I feel towards liking/not liking food. Don't knock it till you try it.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Oh well RAnthony still has some left in him so go for it and have a blast. I'll be heading to bed soon myself but it's funny that if I was in a bad mood, I might have dragged this out for hours and I'm still seeing my older posts quoted. Haha. Ok well, I'll have to deal with responding to them next time.

Have a good one.

You too. Oh, and I still stand by my delicious Cadbury easter eggs.
They are delicious.

Okey dokey....

How 'bout we simmer down, guys?

Let's everyone play nice.

Thanks!

Hey, we're simmered! Well, he's simmered, I'm baking evenly at a nice warm 425'.


J.

 

[Thrawn]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

What the hell does it even mean to "declare Trek fandom dead"? What an utterly meaningless phrase.

There are a bunch of fans of Trek. Thus Trek fandom is alive, more than it has been in a long time.

You don't get to define what "Trek" is; the people in charge do. And they did.