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Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

a) On Friday alone, Star Trek beat the entire opening weekends for 9 of the 10 other Trek movies. And...
b)Before Star Trek, the best opening weekend the franchise has ever had was $30.7million.
Somehow, I have a really hard time worrying about Star Trek only opening at 28th best weekend of all time.
The only way to measure historical figures is to adjust for 'inflation'. If you do that, none of the films fall in the top 100.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Although several Star Wars films do.

I'd love to see the returns for the 11 films in adjusted dollars. If someone has a link to that information, lay it on me.
http://boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2009/05/the-history-of-trek.php
Bottom of the page has inflation corrected numbers. Star Trek's opening weekend still beats the hell out of any of the other openings. And I seriously doubt anyone expected any of the Trek movies to be top 100 money makers ever. Would it be nice? Sure. Likely? No way.

In the meantime, I stand by my assertion that if Gene's vision isn't the ultimate judge of the state of the Star Trek 'franchise', then Trek fandom deserves to be declared dead.

...and I'll be glad to declare it so if the movie doesn't stand up.

DON"T MISS THE IF! That's the important bit.

-RAnthony
But then we get to the question of what was Roddenberry's vision, and who is in the position to make that declaration? If it's you, then how come?
 
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I have to disagree. As a cultural rule of thumb, this concept might be a good one, but when it comes to dramatic entertainment, whether it be film, prose or even music, I think we Trek fans greatly overuse these 4 letters. A diversity of ideas perhaps, but we're talking about a diversity of skills here. Infinitely combining poor storytelling skills do not produce a stronger final product - they only reinforce chaos. There is one distinction that one must constantly remember when writing, reading or consuming fiction: it is not chaotic or random, unlike reality. A story hinges upon a skilled mix of plot, characters and action, and nothing is left to chance. If a gun is mentioned to be in a drawer, then it had better be there for a reason that is relevant to the plot. If a character is a villain, then there needs to be a sound reason for his villainy and not just "he is mad" or "he is insane" (those can be two very different motivators); if the villain is completely irrational, then it is because his motivation is not important, but that of the protagonist is, and it's driven by the villain's irrationality (Batman and the Joker, for instance). Fiction is a very rational construct, almost mathematical in that all of the elements must add up to a positive in the end. Even a purposely-negative outcome is still a positive sum of the story elements. You can't simply throw elements into a story for their own existence and say that because they are there, they are justified because the story is fiction; such random things are only present in reality. Even when writing about reality, only the relevant facts are necessary - you wouldn't write about a plane crash, for instance, and mention that an unrelated student aced a math quiz in another state at the same time, unless it were relevant to the crash, yet such randomness is clearly an example of "infinite diversity"; it doesn't, however, contribute to the reality of the experience because it has no connection to it. In fiction, IDIC is no more a goal than writing one's dreams exactly - all of the randomness of a dream is not, itself, a story, although it may all be part of a greater story, and provide insight into the dreamer.

This movie gave us the heart wrenching death of a beloved planet. The reaction of Spock losing his mother, and the conversation he had with his father afterward was very touching and one of my favorite scenes. Kirk going from a trouble making hot shot to growing up and taking the first steps to coming the legendary Captain James T. Kirk we know and love. There's a lot to enjoy in this movie, plot failings aside. I'm not surprised it's doing as well as it has. I can definitely understand why some wouldn't like it, but I'm glad to not count myself among them.
Which planet's death was heart-wrenching? Which planet was beloved? Think about this as someone who is new to Star Trek, or not even to Trek, but only to this movie. Was Vulcan beloved? Why? Because we were told it was? We saw almost nothing of its people or its culture - all we saw was a handful of characters whose most distinguishing characteristic was an arrogant sham of emotionlessness (arrogance is certainly emotional, after all), whose goal was to accept the destruction of their homeworld without a tear. How is that heart-wrenching? The only emotions that either Spock or Sarek displayed related to Amanda, not to the destruction of Vulcan - only Spock Prime seemed at all moved by the destruction of his homeworld, and even he mentioned it in very analytical terms when trying to give Kirk a trigger to pull on young Spock, for whom it was the mention of his mother that pushed him over the edge.

For a non-fan, I see the destruction of Vulcan as just another cool effect - it was shown very coldly and clinically. Frankly, they did a better job on ENT with the death of Trip's sister, and even then, we never knew her enough to really care about her death. It's a sad truth that even though all death should affect us, when it comes to drama, abstract death such as the destruction of a planet is just that: abstract. We cared about the destruction of Alderaan because we felt Leia's anguish, and we cared about the destruction of the U.S.S. Intrepid because we cared about Spock, but I don't feel that a non-fan knew enough about Vulcan or Spock for the planet's death to be an emotional knife; as fans, we felt more outrage at the stripping of one of our 'comfort zones' because we 'knew' that Vulcan still existed in the future, and this negated our own knowledge. We were being told we were wrong.

I agree that the connection between Spock and Sarek was well-done and satisfying; I don't think that Kirk really demonstrated any growth, because his accomplishments were largely manufactured - his entire character arc was one large Kobayashi Maru, with him cheating death, cheating rank, cheating even plausibility to always come out the winner, only because he "was" James T. Kirk. The story was rigged in his favor from beginning to end, and I feel personally cheated as a result; the audience was played, and expected to either not notice or not care because they were given so many entertaining moments, regardless of whether they derived from the story itself or not.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai


I have to disagree. As a cultural rule of thumb, this concept might be a good one, but when it comes to dramatic entertainment, whether it be film, prose or even music, I think we Trek fans greatly overuse these 4 letters. A diversity of ideas perhaps, but we're talking about a diversity of skills here. Infinitely combining poor storytelling skills do not produce a stronger final product - they only reinforce chaos. There is one distinction that one must constantly remember when writing, reading or consuming fiction: it is not chaotic or random, unlike reality. A story hinges upon a skilled mix of plot, characters and action, and nothing is left to chance. If a gun is mentioned to be in a drawer, then it had better be there for a reason that is relevant to the plot. If a character is a villain, then there needs to be a sound reason for his villainy and not just "he is mad" or "he is insane" (those can be two very different motivators); if the villain is completely irrational, then it is because his motivation is not important, but that of the protagonist is, and it's driven by the villain's irrationality (Batman and the Joker, for instance). Fiction is a very rational construct, almost mathematical in that all of the elements must add up to a positive in the end. Even a purposely-negative outcome is still a positive sum of the story elements. You can't simply throw elements into a story for their own existence and say that because they are there, they are justified because the story is fiction; such random things are only present in reality. Even when writing about reality, only the relevant facts are necessary - you wouldn't write about a plane crash, for instance, and mention that an unrelated student aced a math quiz in another state at the same time, unless it were relevant to the crash, yet such randomness is clearly an example of "infinite diversity"; it doesn't, however, contribute to the reality of the experience because it has no connection to it. In fiction, IDIC is no more a goal than writing one's dreams exactly - all of the randomness of a dream is not, itself, a story, although it may all be part of a greater story, and provide insight into the dreamer.

I should clarify. When I say IDIC, I mean it in a way that says "I love this movie, you don't. We can still respect one another." I didn't mean it in a "you have to accept this movie and like it" sense. I apologize if I came across that way.

I really am trying to understand why people don't like this movie. Not for my own edification, but for yours (general you). I never like debating from a position of ignorance, and I've always found that learning about how others feel about something helps me understand. Although I stand firm about the people who try to tear down those of us who really enjoyed the movie.

J.
 
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http://boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2009/05/the-history-of-trek.php
Bottom of the page has inflation corrected numbers. Star Trek's opening weekend still beats the hell out of any of the other openings. And I seriously doubt anyone expected any of the Trek movies to be top 100 money makers ever. Would it be nice? Sure. Likely? No way.
Thx for that. I'll bookmark it for later comparison. I went to Star Trek: The Motion Picture on opening weekend. While not the best film, in my opinion, it remains the one that most reminds me of Gene. On the other hand, Nemesis doesn't even rate being included in cannon.

I'll be satisfied if the new film falls somewhere in between. Even then, I'm not holding my breath. Still, first weekend returns do look promising.

But then we get to the question of what was Roddenberry's vision, and who is in the position to make that declaration? If it's you, then how come?

All of us, individually, have to make that judgment. If I'm not impressed, then I'm probably done with Trek fandom for good (and as someone who used to go to 3 or 4 events a year, as well as run a local fan club, that's saying something) If enough fans stop participating, then cons and events stop happening, and Paramount will shelve the franchise.

If that happens, Paramount will have no one to blame but Paramount (although, consistently, they will probably try to blame the fans. You'll watch what we produce, and like it! is the Paramount mantra, apparently) for killing the goose that laid the golden egg. I was hoping they'd learn that lesson sooner, but corporations aren't known for thier sharp learning curves...

-RAnthony
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I should clarify. When I say IDIC, I mean it in a way that says "I love this movie, you don't. We can still respect one another." I didn't mean it in a "you have to accept this movie and like it" sense. I apologize if I came across that way.

No apology necessary - I completely respect that you love this movie. I know I'm in the tiny minority of fans who are bothered by what I see not as a disrespect of Star Trek by its owners or the movie's creators, but a general disrespect of the craft of storytelling and, by extension, of the audience. To extend the thread title, the movie industry expects us to 'drink the Kool-Aid' that is the knowing creation of poor craftsmanship, of cutting corners simply because they believe they can get away with it - and in general, obviously, they can, or we wouldn't have so much crappy reality TV ;).

My response was more to the widespread use of "IDIC" to excuse any- and everything that any fan may criticize, for very good reasons, in the Star Trek product; I, for one, am sick and tired of feeling like we 'drank the Kool-Aid' and now believe that we are either not allowed to or are incapable of respectully and constructively criticizing the product and its producers when it and they deserve such, under the misinterpreted concept that somehow "IDIC" applies to everything.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

The movie is something one can enjoy as long as you turn your brain off and dare not think about it afterwards.

I can easily enjoy a rip-roaring action adventure film replete with all variety of explosions and battles. So I don't have the complaint that some do with the fact that there is no social commentary or intellectual depth in the storytelling. However, just because I love action plots with lots of visual effects sequences doesn't mean that I don't expect solid writing. I still want the villian to be interesting with plausible understandable motives. Nero did not. It is even worse that he changes Trek history when there have been far worthier characters who attempted to do so. If you are going to do something so bold and daring how it ups the stakes then the individual doing it should be worthy. I expect the events that sent Spock back in time to be given some depth not relegated to a comic book series.

When I first watched the film so much is going on that while I saw some problems I really didn't see the deficiencies in the film to the degree I did later because everything is moving so fast, maybe too fast. But once you see the film again or you sit back and try to make sense of all the stuff in the film and actually analyze the story the film really starts to have problems. Maybe the writers thought that with the whirlwind of events that occur in the film that you wouldn't catch on but I like to examine the story especially when it comes to these films or tv series that go out of their way to cover a lot of ground as it tends to be the preferred style these days.

I also think they crammed too much material into these two hours. They tried to include a time traveler from the 24th century that they should have known fans would be interested in, a cameo with Ambassador Spock, the destruction of Vulcan, the near destruction of Earth, the early days of Kirk and Spock, the crew at the Academy, the crew going to fight, the death of Amanda, Kirk/Spock, Uhura/Spock, Nero/Spock, Nero/Ambassador Spock, Kirk/Nero, Kirk becoming captain. By trying to do so many things none of them really receive the kind of development they deserved. You simply can't extend the scenes and slow the show down to take it all in. They might have approached the show differently. Let Ambassador Spock be included but on his deathbed melding with someone and flashing back to various points in time if you wanted to focus on the Kirk/Spock dynamic. I thought there would be more interaction with the duo's parents or a little more insight than him stealing a car or Spock being bullied. It certainly would have helped if they killed Amanda.

For instance, they did something pretty bold and destroyed Vulcan yet it to my surprise it didn't carry the kind of shock and impact it really should have. This is afterall a founding member of the Federation and a world that has been part of Trek since the beginning yet its destruction carried about as much resonance as a nameless planet. It seemed the writers wanted to do something big but didn't do enough to earn it. There was so much else going on around it got lost in the mix--it was just one of a thousand plot points occurring in the film. Yes, they tried to capture the loss with Spock in his scenes with Uhura and Sarek but they didn't succeed. And for a long time fan such as myself feeling this way I can only imagine the lack of resonance by the uninitiated who are just introduced to this race and its world. Same with Amanda's death, you really have to earn those emotional and visceral payoffs and just destroying a planet or killing off Spock's mother, which was a little iffy in its execution, doesn't automatically guarantee those expected responses especially since Amanda had sum total of about a minute of screentime.

I actually liked these characters but we didn't have the time to really appreciate their first encounters or see their emotional struggles. I think the style that writers adopt these days with way too many characters, way too many plots and way too much going on is self-defeating. Quality over quantity. That's why earlier Trek films like ST2, ST4 and ST6 are so much better.
 
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Some of this discussion is starting to remind me of Cloud William's pronouncement at the beginning of the "Omega Glory" flag ceremony: "That which is ours is ours again. It will never be TAKEN from us again."

Star Trek (2009) is a movie made to sell tickets, ancillary merchandise, and eventually DVDs. Paramount is spending a lot in an attempt to gain a lot. As such, ST has been tooled to be an action-adventure summer movie with lots of 'splosions.

Those fans of original-cast (1966-1991) Trek who are taking the new movie seriously at all - i.e., who are getting excited about the degree of its relation to what was already established - might not be doing so if not for the participation of Mr. Nimoy (who shared writing credit his last time out, but is merely a, ahem, celebrity endorser of this project). We may never know if he really admired the script or whether he was simply at a stage in his post-retirement life where he was flattered in the right way at the right time. My point is that without him in the story, fans would have less reason to take issue with the movie, and would appreciate it (or not) for what it set out to be - a money-making device.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

To those who profess their love of "Trek," and view Abrams' work as an abomination, I ask you this, you have two choices:

Option one sees that universe which clearly you know and love with passionate devotion to wither and die in a world that no longer can find a place for the utopia that Roddenberry described, nor has a place for the heavy-handed moral story that traces through every series and movie.

Or, option two: A new exploration of the "Trek" universe, that while radically different from the worlds we once knew, has the potential to bring a new fan base and help breathe life into a universe of that has been relegated to the back burner of pop culture.

I would argue that if you truly love "Trek" and wish to see a continued exploraiton of Roddenberry's universe, either on television or on the big screen, then clearly option two is the only choice that can guarantee the survival of that which you love so dearly.

Based on the hype, from a variety of media (including a glowing review at the top of CNN.com) it would appear that Abrams' "abomination" has accomplished a mission that no over-expanded episode of TNG (Insurrection) or rehash of a previous film (Nemesis) could ever achieve: It has in fact breathed new life into a franchise, that up until now has been on life support, and drawn in a larger fan base than the Trek universe has seen since the late 1960's.

Suffice to say, not only am I a supporter of the 'less utopian' version of the Trek universe that Abrams portrays, but I also find it impossible to criticize a Star Trek film that has introduced swarms of non-Star Trek fans to a rich and vibrant storytelling universe. Arguing that such a film appeals to the 'lowest common denominator,' as some on this thread have stated, can only ensure the death of Star Trek as a viable option.

It seems clear to me, that at some point, certain fans of the Trek universe became exclusionary, and would rather see their beloved world be destroyed than share it with others.

(Ok, you can have your soapbox back now.)
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I should clarify. When I say IDIC, I mean it in a way that says "I love this movie, you don't. We can still respect one another." I didn't mean it in a "you have to accept this movie and like it" sense. I apologize if I came across that way.

No apology necessary - I completely respect that you love this movie. I know I'm in the tiny minority of fans who are bothered by what I see not as a disrespect of Star Trek by its owners or the movie's creators, but a general disrespect of the craft of storytelling and, by extension, of the audience. To extend the thread title, the movie industry expects us to 'drink the Kool-Aid' that is the knowing creation of poor craftsmanship, of cutting corners simply because they believe they can get away with it - and in general, obviously, they can, or we wouldn't have so much crappy reality TV ;).

My response was more to the widespread use of "IDIC" to excuse any- and everything that any fan may criticize, for very good reasons, in the Star Trek product; I, for one, am sick and tired of feeling like we 'drank the Kool-Aid' and now believe that we are either not allowed to or are incapable of respectully and constructively criticizing the product and its producers when it and they deserve such, under the misinterpreted concept that somehow "IDIC" applies to everything.

I would never expect you to endorse something you don't like. All I can do is hope the next movie is to both our liking. I believe in an inclusive Trek universe, accessible to all that all can enjoy. It's not likely, since everyone's taste varies so much, but I do want people to enjoy the movie. Your reasons for not liking it are your own, and are valid. My reasons for loving it are my own, and are valid. Please understand, and I can't say this enough because some people think when I disagree it means they can't say what they want (I don't know why), you know that you have just as much a right to say "No, this movie was not good" as I do to say "Best Trek movie ever!" (which I did). We disagree there, but we have agreed on aspects of Star Trek in the past, and we will do so in the future. One bump along the way doesn't change that. I always keep at heart that we're on the same team, and your love of Star Trek is as true as mine. Either way, I'd love to see this whole "true fan" garbage dropped by a lot of people. Not liking or liking an aspect of Trek does not define being a fan.

If that could become accepted, we'd see a lot less fighting, I'd imagine.

J.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I drank the cool-aid and liked it..but hey I was always partial to lime anyway..

There were problems, a few plot holes..and yet..I never obsessed on those issues..
Canon be damned..it's caused too many problems with proper storytelling... and yes this Star Trek film has a small amount of problems with the storytelling..but hey, it still carried one along..and much better than the horribly contrived Nemesis...
 
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http://boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2009/05/the-history-of-trek.php
Bottom of the page has inflation corrected numbers. Star Trek's opening weekend still beats the hell out of any of the other openings. And I seriously doubt anyone expected any of the Trek movies to be top 100 money makers ever. Would it be nice? Sure. Likely? No way.
Thx for that. I'll bookmark it for later comparison. I went to Star Trek: The Motion Picture on opening weekend. While not the best film, in my opinion, it remains the one that most reminds me of Gene. On the other hand, Nemesis doesn't even rate being included in cannon.

I'll be satisfied if the new film falls somewhere in between. Even then, I'm not holding my breath. Still, first weekend returns do look promising.

But then we get to the question of what was Roddenberry's vision, and who is in the position to make that declaration? If it's you, then how come?

All of us, individually, have to make that judgment. If I'm not impressed, then I'm probably done with Trek fandom for good (and as someone who used to go to 3 or 4 events a year, as well as run a local fan club, that's saying something) If enough fans stop participating, then cons and events stop happening, and Paramount will shelve the franchise.

If that happens, Paramount will have no one to blame but Paramount (although, consistently, they will probably try to blame the fans. You'll watch what we produce, and like it! is the Paramount mantra, apparently) for killing the goose that laid the golden egg. I was hoping they'd learn that lesson sooner, but corporations aren't known for thier sharp learning curves...

-RAnthony

To be frank, I think you're overstating your own importance. I doubt Paramount will make a decision based solely on the (non) participation of what appears to be an outlier group of fans who don't like the movie.

What this movie could end up doing is threefold:

1. Solidify goodwill amongst a large majority of "old-guard" Trekkies.
2. Create new goodwill amongst a new generation of the movie-going public.
3. Translate goodwill to loyalty in future films or series.

I'm not going to say this movie is revolutionary or will usher in a new era of sci-fi movies. But at the very least, JJ has given himself more room for error because the movie has expanded the audience.
 
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Some of this discussion is starting to remind me of Cloud William's pronouncement at the beginning of the "Omega Glory" flag ceremony: "That which is ours is ours again. It will never be TAKEN from us again."

Star Trek (2009) is a movie made to sell tickets, ancillary merchandise, and eventually DVDs. Paramount is spending a lot in an attempt to gain a lot. As such, ST has been tooled to be an action-adventure summer movie with lots of 'splosions.

Those fans of original-cast (1966-1991) Trek who are taking the new movie seriously at all - i.e., who are getting excited about the degree of its relation to what was already established - might not be doing so if not for the participation of Mr. Nimoy (who shared writing credit his last time out, but is merely a, ahem, celebrity endorser of this project). We may never know if he really admired the script or whether he was simply at a stage in his post-retirement life where he was flattered in the right way at the right time. My point is that without him in the story, fans would have less reason to take issue with the movie, and would appreciate it (or not) for what it set out to be - a money-making device.

All movies are money-making devices, and Nimoy did this project because he liked it.
 
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I've been a Star Trek fan for over 35 years, and I loved the movie. It delivered what I've wanted since before 1979--an actual adaptation of TOS for the big screen, something none of the movies (as good as some of them were) were ever able to achieve because of the ages of the actors. The heart of TOS was on display: great action adventure with dollops of humor and Ideas.

It's ridiculous to cite Gene's "vision" as a benchmark for this film's success or lack thereof: Gene was a pretty good idea man, but the execution and development of TOS was a collaborative effort that often had little to do with Gene or his "vision".

Its also misguided to think that Paramount cares one whit if fans go to conventions or not. There just aren't enough fans to impact the bottom line. Paramount has already done the worst thing it could to fandom by balkanizing it into "TNG" "VOY" "DS9" and "ENT" cliques. I don't think anything they do now could further marginalize the fanbase anymore than it already is.

I remember when Star Trek was...(gasp) mainstream. Paramount has done the only thing that makes any sense: returning to their only iconic characters and creating a fun, accessible movie for general audiences as well as fans (and there was plenty in the new movie that was just for fans). Hopefully Paramount will build on the strides they made this weekend and Star Trek will become mainstream again--which it must do if it is to survive.
 
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I suppose one of the things I liked was that the villain's backstory wasn't as elaborated (and by that I mean contrived) as they did give him enough backbone, but didn't try to come up with anything too spectacular- which would have backfired. Shinzon, anyone?

To me, this is the best Trek film so far because it's got what I think matters most: fleshed out, three-dimensional, driven characters. A character without a drive (thanks Freud) is no character at all, and more often than not we've had nothing more touching than "we're the good guys and must stop the bad guy" as a personal motivation, and that doesn't convince the audiences, be it in a film or a book or what have you.

I think that's the reason many say that Trek had lost its ability to move people. You have to be able to empathise with the characters. We now can. They have internal struggles that mean something, that drive them, that we can identify with (yes, I am speaking for myself).

Apart from that, we got a solid plot, nice action scenes, great, sharp, witty dialogue and humour that worked. What more do you want? I know I'm happy.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

First off it is Kool-Aid, not Cool Aide. MMMMMmmmmm Kool-Aid.

...why did no one else find the film insulting?

Because it was good?

Come on, it was a different take on the same old characters. The old Star Trek TOS timeline is changed in first 5 minutes, so that changes the entire story. What were you looking for the same old Kirk? Nothing different? What would be the fun in that. I was worried about JJ messing with the canons of Star Trek, but again that all changed in the first 5 minutes with the timeline change.
 
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You're not alone.

Here's an online review that I think really sums up how I feel:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsI7Mhu1G94

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1WkVg3v9YQ

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5uXUcbmPw&feature=related


Okay, I gave up after 'You'll like this movie if you like color and movement.' :rolleyes:

Some of this discussion is starting to remind me of Cloud William's pronouncement at the beginning of the "Omega Glory" flag ceremony: "That which is ours is ours again. It will never be TAKEN from us again."

Star Trek (2009) is a movie made to sell tickets, ancillary merchandise, and eventually DVDs. Paramount is spending a lot in an attempt to gain a lot. As such, ST has been tooled to be an action-adventure summer movie with lots of 'splosions.

Those fans of original-cast (1966-1991) Trek who are taking the new movie seriously at all - i.e., who are getting excited about the degree of its relation to what was already established - might not be doing so if not for the participation of Mr. Nimoy (who shared writing credit his last time out, but is merely a, ahem, celebrity endorser of this project). We may never know if he really admired the script or whether he was simply at a stage in his post-retirement life where he was flattered in the right way at the right time. My point is that without him in the story, fans would have less reason to take issue with the movie, and would appreciate it (or not) for what it set out to be - a money-making device.

And TOS was made out of charity?
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted. Seriously. Because they had a cameo of a tribble, we're expected to swoon? There wasn't even a hint of moral understory. Especially after all the hype, I was completely depressed after seeing it.

I posted a review of my own on my blog: http://thirdcathode.blogspot.com/2009/05/movie-review-star-trek-2009.html

Since nearly everyone else seems to have loved the movie, I would like to hear from fans who had negative reactions as I did - why did no one else find the film insulting?

I completely agree, mate. I hated it, im insulted by it, and im with you all the wayu. Unfortunately all the real trekkies seem to missing presumed dead. Perhaps they were on vulcan, along with everything i once loved about star trek.

And seriously if anyone else mentions that the film is a commercial success, il Scream.


SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IF ITS DOING WELL???????????
ITS STILL GOD AWFULL CRAP, WHICH DOESNT DESERVE THE NAME STAR TREK!
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted. Seriously. Because they had a cameo of a tribble, we're expected to swoon? There wasn't even a hint of moral understory. Especially after all the hype, I was completely depressed after seeing it.

I posted a review of my own on my blog: http://thirdcathode.blogspot.com/2009/05/movie-review-star-trek-2009.html

Since nearly everyone else seems to have loved the movie, I would like to hear from fans who had negative reactions as I did - why did no one else find the film insulting?

I completely agree, mate. I hated it, im insulted by it, and im with you all the wayu. Unfortunately all the real trekkies seem to missing presumed dead. Perhaps they were on vulcan, along with everything i once loved about star trek.

And seriously if anyone else mentions that the film is a commercial success, il Scream.


SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IF ITS DOING WELL???????????
ITS STILL GOD AWFULL CRAP, WHICH DOESNT DESERVE THE NAME STAR TREK!

Whoa, there, chief. No need to yell.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

The insult is on you. You let yourself being insulted. Ignore that movie, you'll feel better. There's no need be insulted. Star Trek owes you nothing.
 
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