Yes, that is also true. The story never elaborated if Sandusky knew he'd been seen by the grad assistant at the time. Lurid details and all. The fact that the athletic director didn't bar Sandusky from campus immediately and never called the cops speaks volumes and...as I still wonder....how exactly can JoePa coach in the midst of this? This is pretty vile stuff.
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Absolutely, disgusting^2. I also don't believe there are only 8 victims. I bet he's raped literally hundreds of boys over the decades. Someone who's so brazen to rape children basically in public, someone like that doesn't stop in the single digits until he's stopped.
No, he doesn't. The man worked with a foundation to help disadvantaged and troubled boys and he did this. Gave them gifts and trips to campus. It's classic predator behavior. "Disadvantaged" boys associated with this group might not have full time parents and caregivers looking out for them. Who would a predator target first? Someone like that. There most certainly have been more than the 8 who've come forward--most of them adults now. I have to think that some men might be too humiliated to come forward and admit they were buggered by a former coach. Not all victims want to talk, especially in the age of youtube.
EDIT: Oh, and the grad student went to Paterno personally the next day. He knew. And, as a matter of interest, Sandusky was allowed to run PSU youth football camps until 2009. JoePa is finished. He could have called the police himself. He called campus police. He could have, at the very least, said he didn't want Sandusky running the camps. He did none of this. Is the press is going to let up? How can they? How can JoePa effectively continue? How?
EDIT: Oh, and the grad student went to Paterno personally the next day. He knew. And, as a matter of interest, Sandusky was allowed to run PSU youth football camps until 2009. JoePa is finished. He could have called the police himself. He called campus police. He could have, at the very least, said he didn't want Sandusky running the camps. He did none of this. Is the press is going to let up? How can they? How can JoePa effectively continue? How?
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Check out the ratings for LSU-UA. They ranged from a 6.1 at kickoff to a 7 at the end. Only Cops and ABC's game broke a 1.0. Whatever CBS gave ABC/ESPN to move the game to prime time was worth it as it was the second highest rated regular season game on CBS in 24 years.
Apparently everybody else fell asleep before they could change the channel. Fortunately I remained awake enough to do so. Much as a I respect defensive strength and wish my team had some....that game was a real snooze fest. It didn't live up to any of the hype. I kept switching back to it and finally lost interest and kept the TV on ABC. Is Saban the dumbest coach alive or what?
There was never any hype about points in this game. How does a game that goes into OT and is decided by a field goal not live up to the hype?
Saban was coaching not to lose. I expected better. More of a sense of urgency. More sense than to keep sending out that poor kicker of his. Not impressed with Saban. Not impressed at all. He's lifeless. The game just felt flat to me. It's hard to articulate.
Ohhhh, JoePa JoePa JoePa....you're only making it worse.
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The grad assistant only told him that he saw Sandusky doing "something inappropriate" with the boy. In the shower.
I guess there could be an appropriate reason for a 58 year old man to be with a 10 year old boy alone in a shower. BTW, the assistant has been ID'd. It's Mike McQueary. He's still on the Penn State coaching staff today. He's the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He's as morally culpable as JoePa, Curley and Schultz. This is getting slimier and slimier.
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The grad assistant only told him that he saw Sandusky doing "something inappropriate" with the boy. In the shower.
I guess there could be an appropriate reason for a 58 year old man to be with a 10 year old boy alone in a shower. BTW, the assistant has been ID'd. It's Mike McQueary. He's still on the Penn State coaching staff today. He's the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He's as morally culpable as JoePa, Curley and Schultz. This is getting slimier and slimier.
Wow... all of these douchebags and their university red tape. Somebody should have called the police... but I guess they have to keep that pristine Penn State image. 
And think about it. Obviously Joe didn't think McQueary was some pathological liar spreading horrific lies about his former assistant coach in the shower with a little boy. You don't keep someone on staff as a WR coach who tells hideous lies about other colleagues. He didn't fully know what was going on? McQueary refused to elaborate? He saw the coach and the boy singing a song together?
Give me a break. What he saw in the shower that night upset McQueary enough at the time to call his own father and ask him what he should do about it. At the end of the day I guess his position in the Penn State organization meant more to McQueary. This is disturbing on so many levels. How many more boys did Sandusky get to? Sex abuse isn't ever "gotten over" by the victims. Ewwww.....gross, pathetic, and morally reprehensible.
Give me a break. What he saw in the shower that night upset McQueary enough at the time to call his own father and ask him what he should do about it. At the end of the day I guess his position in the Penn State organization meant more to McQueary. This is disturbing on so many levels. How many more boys did Sandusky get to? Sex abuse isn't ever "gotten over" by the victims. Ewwww.....gross, pathetic, and morally reprehensible.
Schultz was the one who made sure that real police weren't notified. He decided the matter "wasn't serious enough" and put that in the record. He knew it was serious.
It really is. Apparently Sandusky was finally arrested because he tried to diddle with a boy from a local high school in 2009. I guess his age preference varies from very young boys to young adolescents. Who knows? The mother reported the incident to the school and the school notified real police immediately. They began an investigation which resulted in evidence against Sandusky and his eventual arrest.
Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and McQueary (who wasn't disturbed enough not to accept a position on staff) said nothing to police after McQueary saw an incident with his own eyes. Paterno and McQueary weren't legally responsible, but they did nothing. Curley asked him to no longer bring boys on campus. That's all. He never contacted authorities and deemed the situation "not serious enough" on record. How many boys did Sandusky abuse in the interim between 2002 and 2009 when he tried something with the boy at the high school? It's extremely disturbing. Curley and Schultz are the ones legally culpable since one is AD and the other was in a position of authority with campus police in addition to his academic responsibilities, but I don't know how Paterno and McQueary sleep at night. I really don't. Either one could have reported and stopped this. Paterno was the one who was least likely to be harmed professionally by coming forward At least McQueary could claim he was afraid of that....but obviously Paterno didn't think he was a liar or he wouldn't have put him on staff.
Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and McQueary (who wasn't disturbed enough not to accept a position on staff) said nothing to police after McQueary saw an incident with his own eyes. Paterno and McQueary weren't legally responsible, but they did nothing. Curley asked him to no longer bring boys on campus. That's all. He never contacted authorities and deemed the situation "not serious enough" on record. How many boys did Sandusky abuse in the interim between 2002 and 2009 when he tried something with the boy at the high school? It's extremely disturbing. Curley and Schultz are the ones legally culpable since one is AD and the other was in a position of authority with campus police in addition to his academic responsibilities, but I don't know how Paterno and McQueary sleep at night. I really don't. Either one could have reported and stopped this. Paterno was the one who was least likely to be harmed professionally by coming forward At least McQueary could claim he was afraid of that....but obviously Paterno didn't think he was a liar or he wouldn't have put him on staff.
Youu see, the Penn State Booster Club was founded by the greatest coach of all time, Joseph V. Paterno! Paterno climbed the highest AP polls, tamed the mightiest defenses, but every time he got somewhere, he realized that other coaches had beat him to it.
Paterno was depressed, until he realized that if he couldn't be the first to recruit blue chip All Americans, he could be the first to have sex with the native children that inhabited those areas! Paterno quickly went down in history books as the first man to have sex with the Alleghany children at Pittsburgh, and the first coach to bugger all the underage mountainfolk of Morgantown. But now the most wonderful part. You see, after having sex with all those children, Paterno realized that... molesting all those kids... had made him immortal.
Paterno was depressed, until he realized that if he couldn't be the first to recruit blue chip All Americans, he could be the first to have sex with the native children that inhabited those areas! Paterno quickly went down in history books as the first man to have sex with the Alleghany children at Pittsburgh, and the first coach to bugger all the underage mountainfolk of Morgantown. But now the most wonderful part. You see, after having sex with all those children, Paterno realized that... molesting all those kids... had made him immortal.
Paterno, sure, but McQueary? Lighting up the one guy who actually tried to do something about this just seems misguided to me. I mean, if anything, I'm sure that Schultz, Curley and possibly Paterno put on an absolute gaslighting masterclass for him.
But, ultimately, none of us can say what we'd do when we saw something like this. A surprising amount of people who witness abuse exhibit post-traumatic symptoms. They keep reliving the experience over and over again in their head, and they desperately try to compartmentalize their life and avoid anything that might trigger running through it yet again.
Assuming that was the case with McQueary -- to even some degree having a series of trusted authority figures likely tell you that you did the right thing, but now you needed to just leave it with them and they'd handle it -- that would be a lifeline for someone coping with witnessing something that heinous.
It would be an opportunity to step away from it and to not have to talk about it anymore, avoiding triggering that same kind of post-traumatic response again. I mean, he probably figured he had to chase off some horny co-eds, and instead he saw a kid getting raped.
I don't want to read too much into his actions, but the fact that a 28-year-old man, upon seeing a child being raped, called his father suggests that the sight basically kicked him back to an almost childlike state. He was desperate for someone else to deal with it because he just wasn't equipped to handle it. Going to a trusted mentor and reporting it the next day may have taken every last ounce of fortitude he could muster up at that point. It's the same thing with the janitor: This guy was a Korean War veteran, who had seen some truly fucked-up shit, and seeing Sandusky blowing a kid in the shower caused him to have a complete and utter mental collapse from which he's never fully recovered.
I hope none of us ever have to face something like that, and if we do I hope we pursue it properly, but I just can't split hairs about protocol with McQueary when he actually tried to blow the whistle, and wound up being let down by a lot of people who failed to live up to the responsibilities to both their positions and the community, because they felt maintaining the status quo was actually better than getting rid of a guy who was raping kids in campus facilities.
This is going to result in a wholesale cleaning of the athletics department, and it's quite possible that it goes all the way up to the president's office, as well it should. But outside of the victims themselves, Mike McQueary is the least responsible party in this entire nightmare.
Yeah, if these allegations are true (and let's face it, when you start talking about victim #10, it almost certainly is), nothing good can come of it. You have those intimately involved who hindered an investigation. You have a coach who's reputation is built significantly upon moral character who (being charitable) did the minimum required and then washed his hands of this. It's tragic all around. It's really a shame that it's come to this.
I assume you're parodying something, but that's still a bit unfair. He certainly did not do all he morally should have done. He did comply with the law and is testifying for the Prosecution. Either way, to suggest he was personally involved in these acts is unfair.
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