And it doesn't even follow the rules as described.
Code Of Honor: What Do You Think?
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Yep. Between the time Yar is kidnapped and the climatic fight, it's just a lot of people talking in different rooms with no particular urgency. It's like a line from Paul's Grandfather in A Hard Day's Night: "Look, I thought I was supposed to be getting a change of scenery. But so far, I've been in a train and a room, and a car and a room, and a room and a room!"
Really, it's a half hour's worth of plot horribly padded out to fill an hour.
Yeah. But the casting and the costuming made it carry some REALLY unfortunate connotations. Did the Ligonans really have to be costumed in such a 1940s movie serial "futuristic tribal" sort of way? Did they really have to be ignorant of how the Federation's tech like the holodeck worked? Did the plot really have to boil down to "Hey, where the white women at?" from Blazing Saddles?
But wasn't the animated series deemed "noncanonical" at the time, unofficial or otherwise?
I don't think many people were even familiar with the cartoon plus it was different enough from the TNG holodeck to not feel like the same thing. It's one thing to be able to create virtual landscapes vs being able to create anything you can imagine which how the TNG holodeck is sold to people. Even Holo people that feel like real people.
Yeah, TNG S1 clearly implies that the holodeck is a new invention, at least for Starships. Later Trek shows retconned that by dropping references to various characters growing up with holodecks.
Well, they don't say it's a new invention per se, Riker just says that he'd never seen simulations of "this real before". I figure that there was an advancement that eliminated uncanny valley.
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I never said they did. Hence my use of the word "implies."
I don't despise it.
The writing was pretty bad and it did come off as racist, but it's not my least favourite episode of the show to be made.
The writing was pretty bad and it did come off as racist, but it's not my least favourite episode of the show to be made.
Oh. Well that's easy. No. Not even frogs. Certainly not gnats or boils. (You ever have boils? I'll watch The Alternative Factor rather than have boils again!)"Is Code of Honor worse than a biblical plague? Yes. Discuss it."
This thread in a nutshell
The actual black woman playing the main female role in Code of Honor doesn't see it as a bad or racist episode, she actually thinks it was nice that there was an all-black planet with powerful women, didn't find the costumes or musical sticks problematic, and thinks that people who hate the episode might have a problem with it because of its positive portrayal of powerful blacks 
Someone will whitesplaing to her why she's wrong /sThe actual black woman playing the main female role in Code of Honor doesn't see it as a bad or racist episode, she actually thinks it was nice that there was an all-black planet with powerful women, didn't find the costumes or musical sticks problematic, and thinks that people who hate the episode might have a problem with it because of its positive portrayal of powerful blacks
I imagine it was due to the people program. It was the impression of realism with a person that seems to be the common reaction.
What Voyager points out is that the holodeck has its own generator and separate power supply that is incompatible with regular ship power.
So, maybe those generators were the newish part to put on a starship.
WTF? Is this so you can't turn the murder box off?
Basically.
ETA: Memory Alpha has the holodeck reactors as the terminology and notes the writers created it so that they had an excuse for why the replicators are limited but you get your various holodeck adventures.
Good grief. That sums up why Voyager never lived up to its promise better than anything I could have thought of.
It was mostly a excuse they came up with because they needed to explain why it makes sense to still be running holodecks when the ship had power issues, hence things like replicator rations.
Looks like fireproof78 beat me to it.
I have no problem with the episode. I did not realise some fans hated it until i joined TrekBBS.
So what's racist about it? An all black planet? Makes a change from the all white planet or aliens played by white actors they met every week.
So what's racist about it? An all black planet? Makes a change from the all white planet or aliens played by white actors they met every week.
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I would never want to appear to “mansplain” or “whitesplain” something to anyone, so hopefully this doesn’t come off as that, but if you’re genuinely interested in what some think is racist about “Code of Honor”, I summarized the common criticism generally brought up against the episode in this post much earlier in the thread. This obviously doesn’t mean you are somehow “wrong” in your own assessment of the episode not being racist, but this lays out why I personally think it’s at least a little problematic.
That said, I genuinely appreciate learning about your perspective on this episode and I also think hearing from Karole Selmon in that video interview upthread is interesting.
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