Code Of Honor: What Do You Think?

[Guy Gardener]

PICARD: Lutan, we are aware of many of your planet's achievements, and its unique similarity to an ancient Earth culture we all admire. On behalf of the Federation, therefore, I would like to present this token of our gratitude and friendship. From China's Sung Dynasty, Fourteenth Century.

A one thousand year old pottery horse that survived 3 world wars?

I call bullshit.

It's a shitty present an old girlfriend gave Picard, that he never cared for, and it's less than 10 years old, and replicated.

Picard started this relationship with a lie?

Very dangerous, or does he think that they are dumb?

A sane person might assume that Picard's gift was a bomb or poison or a trap, and scan it with a tricorder.

By that logic, Picard should have unleashed half his torpedoes at the Stargazer the moment Bok presented it to him, but he didn't, so he deserves every moment of agony he wrought from that adventure.

It's spooky that Data did not know that he was Soong type Android, from another Soong Dynasty, when he knew exactly when the Sung Dynasty was a little better than Picard, a true student of history.

Definitely homophones.

 

[Skipper]

I know it was a different era but, geez, the final duel is bad. The choreography is bad. There's no tension, it's poorly shot, the stuntwomen are so obvious it's embarrassing. It's slow. Deadly slow. I know that someone will say "But you can't judge it with today's criteria" but I remember very well that the first time I saw it, more than 30 years ago, I thought "What is this rubbish???" We have Tasha Yar, who is supposed to be this super tough martial arts expert who moves uncoordinated and slow like a first grader trying to do a dance she doesn't remember. It would have been more dignified to just have a sign on the screen for 5 minutes saying "Now imagine a cool fight. Tasha wins". Why has there never been decent hand-to-hand combat in TNG???

By the way, considering this is pretty much the only episode that focuses on Tasha Yar, I can understand why Corsby left...

 

[Jayson1]

I know it was a different era but, geez, the final duel is bad. The choreography is bad. There's no tension, it's poorly shot, the stuntwomen are so obvious it's embarrassing. It's slow. Deadly slow. I know that someone will say "But you can't judge it with today's criteria" but I remember very well that the first time I saw it, more than 30 years ago, I thought "What is this rubbish???" We have Tasha Yar, who is supposed to be this super tough martial arts expert who moves uncoordinated and slow like a first grader trying to do a dance she doesn't remember. It would have been more dignified to just have a sign on the screen for 5 minutes saying "Now imagine a cool fight. Tasha wins". Why has there never been decent hand-to-hand combat in TNG???

By the way, considering this is pretty much the only episode that focuses on Tasha Yar, I can understand why Corsby left...

TNG was never great with action scenes. It is IMO one the reasons it didn't translate over to movies as well as TOS did. TNG had the ship in danger a lot but most of he action scenes involving people fighting really did feel like they were just going through the emotions just so they could get back to the character oriented stuff. I think some of the writers even admitted it.

 

[Ragitsu]

That The Next Generation's atmosphere is closer to the thay-a-tuh than a rough and rowdy saloon is to its credit.

 

[fireproof78]

Why has there never been decent hand-to-hand combat in TNG???

Because they're not soldiers, and it is dramatic stage fighting.

 

[Oddish]

I know it was a different era but, geez, the final duel is bad. The choreography is bad. There's no tension, it's poorly shot, the stuntwomen are so obvious it's embarrassing. It's slow. Deadly slow. I know that someone will say "But you can't judge it with today's criteria" but I remember very well that the first time I saw it, more than 30 years ago, I thought "What is this rubbish???" We have Tasha Yar, who is supposed to be this super tough martial arts expert who moves uncoordinated and slow like a first grader trying to do a dance she doesn't remember. It would have been more dignified to just have a sign on the screen for 5 minutes saying "Now imagine a cool fight. Tasha wins". Why has there never been decent hand-to-hand combat in TNG???

Most combat of that era was like that. The super-fast, shaky camera, "can't tell what's going on so it must be super realistic" fight scenes are more a product of the 21st century.

 

[E-DUB]

Watched it as it aired and couldn't believe that they did this in, whatever the year was.

 

[Ragitsu]

The super-fast, shaky camera, "can't tell what's going on so it must be super realistic" fight scenes are more a product of the 21st century.

With diminished attention spans comes diminished cinematic clarity.

 

[MikHutch]

Doing that test actually just kind of reveals how vaguely racist the casting of exclusively black actors is for the way they are portraying the aliens. Because there’s no racist stereotype of “white people coming to steal our women”. How can you not see that at the very least it’s rather unfortunate to have black people as exotified, animalistic, tribalistic and savage thugs coming to the ship and kidnapping a white woman? I’m not even asking you to accept that they did that on purpose. But can you not see how that’s a problematic depiction that plays into some of the worst and most rascist narratives and stereotypes in existence?

even though, in every colonized nation, White men actually did do that!

 

[Timewalker]

That The Next Generation's atmosphere is closer to the thay-a-tuh than a rough and rowdy saloon is to its credit.

And of course live theatre never gets rough and rowdy?

I used to work backstage in musical theatre so I've seen what goes into some of the fight choreography (I was on the props crew so was responsible for providing some of the props used in these scenes and attended rehearsals to make sure I knew how they were being used or if they weren't working out).

There are some fight sequences in shows that can look very realistic, if the director is prepared to go there, and the actors have the skills to carry it off.

 

[Skipper]

Most combat of that era was like that. The super-fast, shaky camera, "can't tell what's going on so it must be super realistic" fight scenes are more a product of the 21st century.

Well, at least fights in TOS were fun. The fighting in TNG committed the worst sin of all: it was boring.

 

[Skipper]

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[Guy Gardener]

It was a club with nails sticking out.

One good hit, and some one has a new large hole in their face to breathe out of.

 

[Skipper]

"the rules are known: the combat will not interrupted"
Interrupts the fight after one minute

 

[Skipper]

You know, people are so concerned about the "It's racist?" thing that sometimes we don't realize how much dumb the episode is.

 

[Skipper]

Because they're not soldiers, and it is dramatic stage fighting.

Well, while I can understand that Crusher or LaForge couldn't do their best in a hand-to-hand fight, Tasha and Worf are supposed to be badass martial artists.

But they never managed to show that on screen.

The other problem is that in the episode they raise the viewer's expectations by repeatedly explaining what an incredible fighter Tasha is, that NO ONE can have a chance fighting against her, that she is a master of all known and unknown martial arts, a perfect and unstoppable killing machine.

Then we have that awkward, uncoordinated and slow bizzarre dance, where both contenders are like "Uh, we are doing this right? I'm not sure. Let's make it slower and more awkward".

 

[Guy Gardener]

Could be worse.

In Requiem for Meth, Ritellan/Ryetalyn is the brand name for Meth IRL.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, while I can understand that Crusher or LaForge couldn't do their best in a hand-to-hand fight, Tasha and Worf are supposed to be badass martial artists.

But they never managed to show that on screen.

Prime Directive.

Rules of the game.

Do you follow the rules to boxing when playing Cricket?

If they don't fight how they are supposed to fight, they'll end up in a penalty box.

But they could have given Tasha steroids or genetic modification to make her ten times stronger than Yarena, or sent down a hologram, or a clone who was fully prepared to die in the most gruesome bloodtastic way possible.

 

[Skipper]

Prime Directive.

Rules of the game.

Do you follow the rules to boxing when playing Cricket?

If they don't fight how they are supposed to fight, they'll end up in a penalty box.

But they could have given Tasha steroids or genetic modification to make her ten times stronger than Yarena, or sent down a hologram, or a clone who was fully prepared to die in the most gruesome bloodtastic way possible.

Sometimes you scare me, in a good way

 

[jaime]

Doing that test actually just kind of reveals how vaguely racist the casting of exclusively black actors is for the way they are portraying the aliens. Because there’s no racist stereotype of “white people coming to steal our women”. How can you not see that at the very least it’s rather unfortunate to have black people as exotified, animalistic, tribalistic and savage thugs coming to the ship and kidnapping a white woman? I’m not even asking you to accept that they did that on purpose. But can you not see how that’s a problematic depiction that plays into some of the worst and most rascist narratives and stereotypes in existence?

And when the white folk in very small clothes stole a child? Or when a whole bunch of children were stolen by another bunch of aliens who… I forget what they even look like?
The most outright racist portrayals in Trek were probably any time they went near the Irish, and those episodes barely get half the heat.