Despite the efforts of certain self-appointed mods to the contrary.
And no, I don't mean you.
Spoilers Coda Trilogy Discussion Thread
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Despite the efforts of certain self-appointed mods to the contrary.
And no, I don't mean you.
I understand that the books don’t vanish but I’m in the minority of caring more about continuity than story. When I re-read some of my favorite Project Full Circle novels, I’ll always be aware that every achievement of the characters has now been undone.
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the Edrehmaia, there’ll be no unlimited benamite for the Federation, continuing the disastrous reliance on dilithium.
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not visiting the Gum Nebula, the Pa’haquel continue using Jellyfish zombies, and planet Droplet suffers an extinction level impact event.
What have your personal preferences got to do with Memory Beta? It's the responsibility of a reference source to report information accurately and without bias. And as I've said, Trek tie-ins have always existed in multiple distinct continuities and Memory Beta has covered all of them. It covers countless things that are incompatible with each other -- the Gold Key comics, the FASA RPGs, the old Bantam novels, the '80s Pocket novels, the many different computer games, etc. So why in the world should this be any different from what it's always done?
Yes, articles should be revised to clarify the distinction between the works of fiction that took place in the First Splinter and those that take place in canon, but you're talking in terms of removing information from a reference site, censoring it just because you don't personally like it, and that is downright obscene.
Oh, just to clarify, I’m keeping my hands off affected articles/content.
With the mirror universe we’ve always known it’s alternate timelines, whereas the First Splinter is only now becoming alternate. That’s years worth of content that is suddenly no longer Prime timeline.
Of course, Picard S1 meant some content (Icheb’s career as Wildman’s XO on K7 from STO) became “retro continuity “, but now it’s entire post-2373 litverse - not just bits and pieces of it.
I’m not purposefully obstinate on this topic, the result of this trilogy is just so much to process.
With the mirror universe we’ve always known it’s alternate timelines, whereas the First Splinter is only now becoming alternate. That’s years worth of content that is suddenly no longer Prime timeline.
Of course, Picard S1 meant some content (Icheb’s career as Wildman’s XO on K7 from STO) became “retro continuity “, but now it’s entire post-2373 litverse - not just bits and pieces of it.
I’m not purposefully obstinate on this topic, the result of this trilogy is just so much to process.
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I've always disliked that policy of Beta's, since it's a misrepresentation of the disparate nature of Trek tie-ins. It's inappropriate for a reference work to impose its own interpretation on the data rather than just presenting it accurately. And it's failing as an informational source if they lump material from distinct works together and don't clearly differentiate which came from which.
It never was. It was just one of multiple simultaneous, mutually incompatible tie-in continuities that pretended to be within the Prime timeline, the same as the comics and games and everything else. Like I often say, tie-ins are to canon as historical fiction is to history. It's just conjecture about stuff that might have happened in the gaps in recorded history.
And many of those works over the decades have been contradicted by new Prime continuity, like the '80s novel continuity and the DC Comics continuity being overwritten by TNG/DS9/etc. The only difference this time is that books were written that attempted to rationalize it as an in-story alternate timeline.
gee who are you talking aboutDespite the efforts of certain self-appointed mods to the contrary.
And no, I don't mean you.
Bah. No one disagreeing with you here seems to be self-aware enough to recognise that the status of ongoing continuity is why they were motivated to come here to disagree with your position to begin with.
I've enjoyed Trek Lit since I was a kid. I never expected it to be cannon, but it was a cool way to take in more stories about the characters I loved in the tv shows. I actually made an account to talk about how the Coda trilogy ended things!
So I mostly enjoyed the writing, but then again, I never take trek novels too seriously. At best, they're an extended episode. At worst, they're some escapist fan fiction. With this in mind, I really enjoyed the litverse. I knew it wasn't cannon, but the books got me through some crappy times. I liked knowing what was going on with the characters in one reality.
I felt disappointed with they "hey, everyone dies, the litverse is gone, doom and gloom" ending. It felt kinda cheap to me. I know it's a personal thing, but I would have preferred the universe to keep existing with a confirmation that it wasn't cannon. You know, like hey turns out this universe isn't going to be written about anymore, you won't get any new stories, but everyone is alive, the end. Trek was always an aspirational escape for me, kinda felt like the end to the litverse was peak 2021 doom and gloom.
That being said, I appreciated how ambitious the story was. This was the first time reading a trek series actually just made me feel sad instead of being an escape.
So I mostly enjoyed the writing, but then again, I never take trek novels too seriously. At best, they're an extended episode. At worst, they're some escapist fan fiction. With this in mind, I really enjoyed the litverse. I knew it wasn't cannon, but the books got me through some crappy times. I liked knowing what was going on with the characters in one reality.
I felt disappointed with they "hey, everyone dies, the litverse is gone, doom and gloom" ending. It felt kinda cheap to me. I know it's a personal thing, but I would have preferred the universe to keep existing with a confirmation that it wasn't cannon. You know, like hey turns out this universe isn't going to be written about anymore, you won't get any new stories, but everyone is alive, the end. Trek was always an aspirational escape for me, kinda felt like the end to the litverse was peak 2021 doom and gloom.
That being said, I appreciated how ambitious the story was. This was the first time reading a trek series actually just made me feel sad instead of being an escape.
I think it's worth bearing in mind that Coda established such an infinite number of alternate timelines that you as a reader could choose to interpret that to mean that there's a timeline out there that is identical or nearly identical to the First Splinter Timeline, where the story continues.
The only thing I disagree with is the implication that Memory Beta entries about the novels need to be altered or deleted somehow just because of the continuity change. Many previous Trek books, comics, and games have been invalidated by new canon, and they still have entries on Beta.
As I've mentioned before, I think that's already implicit in Coda, since Book 1 shows a couple of other splinter timelines that are eradicated hundreds or thousands of years in TNG's future. And my DTI novels establish at least one possible future of the novelverse persisting for millions of years.
Of course, and I appreciate the implication about other similar timelines! I was just sharing how the story of the ending of this timeline resonated with me. It was a cool journey and definitely holds its place in Star Trek lit.
Weird how you know why I was motivated to come here.
Hey, I can't remember who I lent my omnibus of Runaways vol 1 to, do you happen to remember? Since you know so much about me and my life and all?
Regarding that, according to one of the Devs, STO is taking a pick and choose approach when it comes to the new shows.
If say one of the new 24th Century shows just ups and completely contradicts an entire story line in STO, they'll ignore that part of the show. But small things and details that don't will gladly adapt. Like you mentioned, they did remove Icheb from K7 after he died in Picard, because he did absolutely nothing in the game other than just stand around.
They did add the synth attack on Mars to the game's backstory, but that really doesn't break any of the story arcs in the game.
Identical, except that Kira wouldn't be the Hand of the Prophets, since that was called out explicitly as only being in that one branch.(Although that probably then causes differences in the Ascendants storyline...)
Good catch! Maybe there's a timeline where the Prophets don't think of her as their hand, or think of her as stopping being her hand after the Ascendants thing is done?
Maybe the prophets just tell every Kira that so she doesn't feel bad as she diesIdentical, except that Kira wouldn't be the Hand of the Prophets, since that was called out explicitly as only being in that one branch.
Did anyone ever explain why Meyo Ranjea showed up in the series despite being stuck in a different time in Shield of the Gods?
I'm thinking of it like how they brought back Shaxs in Lower Decks. It's just one of those weird things you'd expect to happen sometimes with temporal investigators. Though my guess is alternate-timeline doppelganger, since Garcia didn't seem to have any strong feelings for him.
I didn't like the heavy death toll for the DS9 characters and couldn't finish the last novel. It sort of seemed like they died to save the TNG characters. Obviously I'm biased and happy to be corrected but did any of the main TNG characters die? I would have liked to have seen more Voyager characters to have shown up to be killed off.
