Cobra Kai - The Karate Kid Saga Continues

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  1. Skipper

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    You know, I think the council-person had a point:
    you already have bands of karate bullies infesting the city. Why do you want to encourage them with a tournament. And I don't believe the BS "the tournament is a way to show our competitive spirit without harming anyone". It's like trying to resolve the the problem of armed violence in a city with a target shooting tournament
     
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    So wife and I wrapped it up this afternoon/evening as a way to pass the rainy day. Overall, it was a well done season, very enjoyable, and Johnny continues to become my favorite character. Daniel demonstrated some good growth as well.

    What I liked:
    -Daniel realizing that he had a part in Johnny's constant cycle of self-destruction. Daniel was irritating me so many times throughout the first two seasons, and I loved how he learned his listen.
    -The trip to Okinawa was a wonderful way, though a bit telegraphed in terms of how Daniel's problems would be solved. But, the fight was excellent.
    -It was nice to see Hawk become more than just a heavy for Cobra Kai and there was a great humanizing moments of realizing just how far he had gone to avoid being bullied.
    -Kreese's backstory was understandably tragic, if predictable.
    -All the returns of various characters just do a good job of crafting a larger narrative from the films.
    -Miguel's rehabilitation was excellent.
    -The final scene was amazing. Season was worth it for that.

    What I didn't like:
    -Robby's going to Cobra Kai was telegraphed so hard and I hated it for it.
    -I despise how long it takes for people to communicate with each other. The level of misunderstanding constantly going on is painful.
    -Kreese's constant manipulations are going tiresome and repetitive. But, kudos to Johnny for recognizing them for what they are.
    -Sam's relationship drama is so super frustrating.

    Overall, a marked improvement over Season 2.
     
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    At this point I think KC is set in a parallel universe where the laws don't apply. The only one who faces some consequences for his actions is Robbie and he almost killed a guy.
     
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    I was a bit worried about that at first seeing as Silver is like 20 years younger than Kreese. (As it is, they screwed up on the Miyagi/Daniel age reference. It's Macchio that is 59, not Daniel. Daniel is actually several years younger than Macchio.)

    I did like the in-joke of having Martin Kove's real life son play the bully that picks on young Kreese. :)
     
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    If the characters were the same age as the actors, then Silver/Griffith would have been 13 years old when Saigon fell in 1975. Kreese/Kove was far more age-appropriate to be involved in that conflict.

    Anyone notice that Kreese’s bully seemed to be driving the car that Myagi gave to Daniel? A bit of a “small world syndrome” going on there, but an interesting tie-in nonetheless.
     
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    Overall, a good season. I wasn't a fan of the house fight or the extreme escalation the whole rivalry took, but the rest of the season made up for it. My favorite eps were 4 and 5. The whole Okinawa story was excellent and I loved the Chozen "Honk" :lol:. The Ali story was well done and I'm glad they didn't go the way I thought they would with it. The season ended how I thought it would, but they did a good job getting there. I don't think the season was as good as 1 and 2, but still really fun and I'm looking forward to season 4. I do hope season 4 wraps up the series though. I really don't want to see the story get dragged out any more than it should.
     
  9. Aragorn

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    Thomas Ian Griffith is actually younger than Macchio. But the way he looks now, it would be easy to age him up to be closer to Kove.
     
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    Finally was able to get a copy of s1 and 2 today. Onto the rewatch :).
     
  13. Owain Taggart

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    Finally caught up to all 3 seasons. So good! Really, this show has some amazing writing that keeps putting a smile on my face. Really great to see clear respect for the source material that integrates the original characters seamlessly with the new. It reminds me of the approach Degrassi The Next Generation took, in bringing in the original characters as mentors/family to a new generation while moving their mythos forward.

    I was initially put off by how much Johnny seemed to be stuck in the past and unable to move forward after all those years, and found his attitude stunk. But over time, I think he's grown to even admit his mistakes and re-calibrate his views of the world.

    I didn't care much for either the school or house fights. They were way too over-the-top and should have been toned down. Also didn't care much for the teacher's reactions after the school fight, and I have trouble believing anything like that would be allowed to go on for as long as it did.

    One interesting I noticed was the inclusion of Will Smith as an exec-producer, which he also was for his son's version of Karate Kid. Could potentially mean they've kept their minds open to having those characters appear. So, here's an idea. I know technically it's not Karate in that movie, so they could potentially have an international MMA tournament. So, you'd have Daniel and Johnny's students competing, and then you have Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith's characters. Also maybe have Hillary Swank's character and her kids who are competing, and maybe she could reminisce with Daniel about Miyagi, sharing something they both have in common.
     
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    IIRC, it's one of those "legacy producer" credits as opposed to any actual connection to the series.
     
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    Karate did originate from China IRL, and it's been mentioned numerous times on-screen (mostly from the movies) that the particular version of Okinawan Miyagi-do Karate was brought back from China, so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.
     
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    Will Smith is an executive producer in name only because of the remake. As far as the showrunners are concerned, they only care about the four Pat Morita movies. But they said they won't rule out that The Karate Kid remake could exist as a movie on their show, it just wouldn't be a remake of an 80s movie.
     
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    Oh, I know. I was stating it because of the fact the two movies actually used two different forms of martial arts, and an MMA tourney would be a great way to have them side-by-side.

    ^ The way I saw it, an easy way to do it would be to say that they've lived their lives in parallel. It's perfectly acceptable to have others who've had similar scenarios in life, and that'd be the natural way to do it.
     
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    So I spent the last few days watching the first three movies for the first time. Loved Part 1/2 and 3 was just weird. I even watched the 2010 movie just for the hell of it and it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. I may watch the 4th just for Mr. Miyagi.

    I’ve become a little obsessed and now I’m midway through season 2. It’s such an awesome show! I was impressed to see that Ralph Macchio and William Zabka can still do those moves but seeing Martin Kove do them in his 70’s is like WOW.
     
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    The 4th one with Hilary Swank is actually not that bad. I remember it originally not being well-received, but I think part of that might be due to disappointment of Daniel not being in it. Watched it recently and it was much better than I remember it being. It at least gives us new insight into Miyagi's continued development.
     
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