Cobra Kai - The Karate Kid Saga Continues

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  1. Trekker4747

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    Starring Ralph Machio as local car-salesman Danny, complete with cheesy local TV commercials, and William Zabka who is the washed up alcoholic Johny who revives the Cobra Kai dojo in order to help a local kid to fight his bullies.

     
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    The more I see of this, the more interested I am... I'm not paying Youtube to watch it, but I definitely want to check it out at some point.
     
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    I may subscribe to YT to watch it..... Which feels odd to say since I refused to get CBS:AA to watch "Discovery" but mostly because Discovery doesn't look "good" or interesting enough to me to bother with it, if even for a short time to watch it. But this? This kind of looks interesting and I may be willing to go with a temporary subscription to YT to watch this. Or, I dunno, wait for the DVD set or something.

    But this looks fun.
     
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    I'm just the opposite. I was pretty excited for it when I first heard about it. But the more I see, the less I care. It's just trying way too hard.
     
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    I guess I will wait to pass judgement until I watch an episode or two.
     
  6. Owain Taggart

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    Yeah, agreed. I'm just not entirely sure who they are trying to market this to. Naming it Cobra Kai for one thing is way too subtle. They should have just gone ahead and called it Karate Kid: The Series, that way they'd have more of a chance at an audience that have seen the originals and the reboot.
     
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    I'm kind of curious on the angle/slant the series is going to take and if it's going to be one of those ones where we're supposed to "root for the bad guy" or if Johnny's character is going to be softened or something.

    It's a popular... "meme" or cheeky interpretation of the movie that Daniel was the "worst" between he and Johnny, that Johnny was something of a "flawed hero" in a different story we were watching from his antagonist's perspective.

    The idea is that the encounters between Johnny and Daniel were largely escalated by Danny's actions and not Johnny's, Johnny is on the defense and in their first physical encounter only strikes Daniel after having been struck first.



    Johnny isn't "perfect" and certainly steps outside his bounds and is a bit out of line in the tournament, but the guy at the end did also present Daniel with the trophy.

    But, naturally, from the actual movie's perspective Johnny is the antagonist and we should be "glad" he was defeated, and what became of him, John and the Cobra Kai dojo. The Cobras were, in effect, bullies.

    So are we supposed to be happy, per this trailer, that the "Cobras are back!" They were assholes and were being taught a more aggressive and offensive form of Karate.

    In this trailer, Johnny says he's teaching them the style of Karate he was taught, even making a funny reference to "weaker" mentality of the current generation, but it also looks that he's teaching it to kids who're maybe the victims of bullying. (Granting, basing this only on the few kids we see in the trailers like the key one he appears to be training and the heavier-set black girl in the gym match bit.)

    So, I guess, if he's trying to help kids who need to fight/defend for themselves against bullying that's kind-of okay, and I'm not sure why this would bother Daniel (who was saved when an elderly man kicked the asses of a bunch of teenagers in order to save him, like Johnny appears to in this new trailer) even if Johnny's methods are more offensive rather than defensive.

    So maybe it's a new "breed" of "Cobras" because otherwise, if the "Cobras are back!" are we rooting for a bunch of school bullies to come back into control of a high-school?

    At any rate, I still think the show looks sort-of "fun" in a way and will check it out.
     
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    So you're suggesting the show is riffing on a meme started by Barney Stinson almost ten years ago? Consider me signed on...
     
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    I don't remember the original films being so in-your-face punchy modern humor like. I was bothered by the whole tone of the trailer.

    And, whether it's good or not, I refuse to pay Google/Youtube any money considering the shit they have been pulling in recent years.
     
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    It makes some sense that a movie 30 years ago wouldn't have "punchy modern humor."
     
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    I know reboots and revivals are in, and I normally defend revivals / continuations, however what the hell is this? This seems very weird, is anyone asking what two teens are doing 34 years later? Is this supposed to be a drama or a comedy because right now it's neither. Just weird to me.
     
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    Yeah, I dunno. It really strikes me as an odd thing to do to Daniel when he was the hero of the first two movies. Why pit them together at this point? It doesn't really make much sense when so much time has elapsed. The scenario I had in mind when I first heard of this was that they would set aside their differences and open up a studio together to teach a new generation. This fostering a grudge and not only make it look like Daniel's the bully, just seems wrong in the scope of what it's trying to accomplish. So, if Johnny is teaching a new class, why shouldn't they learn to set grudges aside unless absolutely necessary? It would teach the class much more valuable lesson if they knew they once were enemies and no longer. They should fight bullying together after learning lessons from their past.
     
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    I honestly can't tell which direction this show will take.. is Johnny now kinda the good guy who's trying to get his life back together by opening the dojo again and teaching kids self defence (though there are still the questionable mottos behind Cobra Kai)?

    It also seems that Daniel has become kind of a prick.. it's definitely not cool to gloat about a fight that was 34 years ago.

    However it seems like an interesting direction and as a kid of the 80s and 90s this is a must watch for me. I hope they do a Mr. Miyagi reference by visiting his grave at least at some point, it's a shame that Morita is dead because he made the movies what they were.
     
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    Yeah, sorta the boat I'm in. Is it a "Better Call Saul?" think where we're supposed to be kinda behind the "bad guy" and his actions?

    Apparently the format is a 30-minute long episode which, I'm not sure on. I dunno, feels like nearly hour-long episodes work better, 30-min long ones feel too "sit-com" like. But, all remains to be seen.

    And, I dunno, Daniel was always kind of a prick.

    He gets the stay from the Cobra Kai dojo pending the karate tournament and his first idea is to go up to the school bullies and wag in their face they can't touch him.

    But, yeah, bragging about a single karate fight from several decades ago? Come on, Daniel.
     
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    Isn't that sort of de-mystification what they did with Luke in Last Jedi? It's risky but it could work. I plan to check it out.
     
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    What's Johnny doing in Daniel's car dealership? Looking for a job?

    I, for one, actually welcome half-hour dramatic shows. Decades ago, that was more standard. And they were able to pack in plenty of story in thirty minutes.

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    To antagonize him more likely... ;)

    I dunno, I think it takes some skill to be able to effectively make a drama work in a half-hour time slot. We have a locally filmed drama with a half-hour format, that more often than not, feels like it doesn't have enough time to let things develop before it's over. It's something I've found to be frustrating and it's made worse by the fact that it doesn't have many episodes per season to make up for it.
     
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    I wouldn't go that far.. more cocky and less ability to know when it's better to shut up.

    Mr. Miyagi taught him much about life besides Karate and i have read an article that in this show Daniel has somewhat lost some direction and his center since Miyagi died. Could be interesting to see if both come together and help each other get back on track if they manage to put their rivalry behind them,

    Only a month to go ;)
     
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    I want to say that I caught on to the possibility that there was more to Johnny before I saw that Daniel is the real bully video, but I'm not sure. The video points out some interesting nuances of how the conflict starts, escalates and unfolds. It concludes jokingly that Johnny is the real, flawed hero of the story, and Daniel inserts himself into situations and acts horribly.

    That video is useful though for drawing attention to the fact that Johnny is actually an interesting and potentially sympathetic character. He's starting the school year committed to improving himself. He wants to reconcile with Ali (though he does it badly, and fair enough he's a young kid). He has lots of friends. Unfortunately, the Cobra Kai dojo does influence he actions negatively, and Mr. Miyagi makes this point. I feel like it's sad that Johnny is washed up at the beginning of the trailer.

    Daniel is sympathetic, too, don't get me wrong. He seems to struggle with himself, trying to get a hold of himself. Learning karate is a two-fold accomplishment for him, to sort himself out as much as give him the ability to defend himself in a fight. The new trailer shows he is successful. He's become too successful for his own good, and lost his way. He's lost perspective, humbleness, and balance. But it seems like after the first movie, these are still traits that he never quite shakes, just holds at bay for a time.

    The trailer for this show excites me for what I hope happens. That they realize that they can learn from each other, but they carry on with the rivalry anyway even as they acknowledge that. That seems like an exciting possibility, to see Daniel open his eyes to Johnny as more that just a rival or adversary. For Johnny's part, it seems like he wants to help out, but he is still cursed by the Cobra Kai philosophy that he revives. Well meaning, but approaching it the wrong way. So he could still learn from Daniel.

    I could see it developing as a tragedy of missed opportunities. But the comedic rough-and-tumble tone suggests that there's fun to be had with them pound each other a little bit, but then growing as characters and helping each other. Maybe they go through this inadvertently, and never admit to each other how they're benefitting; or maybe genuine dramatic connection between the characters (this risks saccharine drama).

    I'm surprised and impressed by what could happen with this story.