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^ Teri Hatcher remains my favourite Lois.
^ Teri Hatcher remains my favourite Lois.
Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman film
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I agree with you whole-heartedly about the stupidity of S:TM's Luthor. The one thing they did right was to cast Hackman, who could effortlessly convey menace even in the midst of camp. As stupid as it all is, Hackman's easy humor as he explains his plan, the way he responds to Ms. Tessmacher's plea about her mother (just checking his watch and shaking his head) - is chilling, just for a moment, but chilling nonetheless. But yes, the set up for Luthor and his plan is inane in the extreme.
I agree here as well. In fact, one the worst mistakes of this film is that you have this heart-rending tale of a god giving up his powers to be with a mortal woman at the exact instant that three destructive gods arrive to conquer the world - is that right at a key moment, Lois suddenly acts like a whiny, petulant ass, crying that she wants the man with powers. I've always hated the truck stop scene from start to finish. The world's been conquered by aliens and these people are bantering over a diner counter top? WTF? There was such potential for an amazing scene there, and it's pretty much blown. (And the coda to it makes Superman seem like a petulant ass himself.)
But my point is that the basic story being told here is a compelling myth in our culture - the conflict for a warrior between love and duty.
I can't imagine. Particularly in S:TM she is the sheer embodiment of Lois Lane. And no Supes/ Lois team has ever had the crackling timing of Reeve and Kidder.
They're fun enough, sure, but again, the point is the story evolves around Clark as a man with amazing powers - who is in love with a driven, adventurous woman who is his equal, if not in physical strength, in mental and emotional strength. The reason Superman's rogue gallery is largely forgettable is because his foil has always been Lois. It's possible to tell a decent short tale in the comics without her, but for any big Superman story (as a movie must be) the love story has to be paramount because it is fundamental to Superman's identity. It's where the meat of the character's drama is.
I agree with you whole-heartedly about the stupidity of S:TM's Luthor. The one thing they did right was to cast Hackman, who could effortlessly convey menace even in the midst of camp. As stupid as it all is, Hackman's easy humor as he explains his plan, the way he responds to Ms. Tessmacher's plea about her mother (just checking his watch and shaking his head) - is chilling, just for a moment, but chilling nonetheless. But yes, the set up for Luthor and his plan is inane in the extreme.
I agree here as well. In fact, one the worst mistakes of this film is that you have this heart-rending tale of a god giving up his powers to be with a mortal woman at the exact instant that three destructive gods arrive to conquer the world - is that right at a key moment, Lois suddenly acts like a whiny, petulant ass, crying that she wants the man with powers. I've always hated the truck stop scene from start to finish. The world's been conquered by aliens and these people are bantering over a diner counter top? WTF? There was such potential for an amazing scene there, and it's pretty much blown. (And the coda to it makes Superman seem like a petulant ass himself.)
But my point is that the basic story being told here is a compelling myth in our culture - the conflict for a warrior between love and duty.
I can't imagine. Particularly in S:TM she is the sheer embodiment of Lois Lane. And no Supes/ Lois team has ever had the crackling timing of Reeve and Kidder.
They're fun enough, sure, but again, the point is the story evolves around Clark as a man with amazing powers - who is in love with a driven, adventurous woman who is his equal, if not in physical strength, in mental and emotional strength. The reason Superman's rogue gallery is largely forgettable is because his foil has always been Lois. It's possible to tell a decent short tale in the comics without her, but for any big Superman story (as a movie must be) the love story has to be paramount because it is fundamental to Superman's identity. It's where the meat of the character's drama is.
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Just what I'be been thinking about, and saying for years! Thanks for finally saying it, Christopher!
Also, Krypton should have been like something out of Star Trek (maybe even using the same types of designs and designers from TOS!) Maybe the new movie can hire Mike and Denise Okuda And Andrew Probert to do the designs for Krypton if it's mentioned, or maybe they can get the designers from Superman: The Animated Series! Either way, this looks good.
Just what I'be been thinking about, and saying for years! Thanks for finally saying it, Christopher!
Also, Krypton should have been like something out of Star Trek (maybe even using the same types of designs and designers from TOS!) Maybe the new movie can hire Mike and Denise Okuda And Andrew Probert to do the designs for Krypton if it's mentioned, or maybe they can get the designers from Superman: The Animated Series! Either way, this looks good.
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Eh, I dunno about McTeague at the helm. While V for Vendetta wad good, Ninja Assasin was pretty bad. Under the tutelage of Nolan it might work out but ehh we'll see
Eh, I dunno about McTeague at the helm. While V for Vendetta wad good, Ninja Assasin was pretty bad. Under the tutelage of Nolan it might work out but ehh we'll see
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Oh... well that makes sense.
I see where you're coming from, and in certain instances I prefer that myself. But I think this is an objective argument. I agree that the Krypton depicted wasn't functional, but on a purely visual level it stimulated me greatly, I had never seen anything quite like it at the time, and I still think that visually even Superman Returns and Smallville (lol!) fail to capture the beauty of Krypton as it was presented in Superman '78.
It didn't make sense, but for me it didn't have to. It was amazingly designed and beautifully shot apart from the scenes that were cut, which were clunky in terms of design and aesthetic by comparison.
I get the fact that you wanted a more functional approach, and that makes sense completely, I just don't feel it mattered much personally.
Oh... well that makes sense.
I see where you're coming from, and in certain instances I prefer that myself. But I think this is an objective argument. I agree that the Krypton depicted wasn't functional, but on a purely visual level it stimulated me greatly, I had never seen anything quite like it at the time, and I still think that visually even Superman Returns and Smallville (lol!) fail to capture the beauty of Krypton as it was presented in Superman '78.
It didn't make sense, but for me it didn't have to. It was amazingly designed and beautifully shot apart from the scenes that were cut, which were clunky in terms of design and aesthetic by comparison.
I get the fact that you wanted a more functional approach, and that makes sense completely, I just don't feel it mattered much personally.
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Krypton as depicted in Superman the Movie has always fascinated me since I first saw it as a little kid in my grandmother's house. I still love this aspect of Krypton...that Kryptonians are so advanced that they use crystals to grow their infrastructure and technology. I'll agree that it wasn't functional. I think though it wasn't meant to be more of a visual feast. I don't think that anyone had seen Krypton on screen before so I'm sure that Donner and his team wanted it to be spectacular. They probably weren't sure themselves what Krypton should look like and how it should function. Geoff Johns has done a great job in explaining what the crystal technology (called Sunstone during his run) does and interacts. Lex seems to understand how the crystals work as well in Superman II and Superman Returns.
Krypton as depicted in Superman the Movie has always fascinated me since I first saw it as a little kid in my grandmother's house. I still love this aspect of Krypton...that Kryptonians are so advanced that they use crystals to grow their infrastructure and technology. I'll agree that it wasn't functional. I think though it wasn't meant to be more of a visual feast. I don't think that anyone had seen Krypton on screen before so I'm sure that Donner and his team wanted it to be spectacular. They probably weren't sure themselves what Krypton should look like and how it should function. Geoff Johns has done a great job in explaining what the crystal technology (called Sunstone during his run) does and interacts. Lex seems to understand how the crystals work as well in Superman II and Superman Returns.
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I wonder why they don't embrace the sci-fi action aliens aspect of Superman in the films? It's not "out of character" the way magical stories in Spider-Man or bright sci-fi or campy stories in Batman are.
Seriously, I would go all out with a Darkseid and the armies of Apokalips attack. For that matter, why does Superman's introduction to the world always have to be catching a helicopter or plane? Why can't it be stopping a REAL threat?
I wonder why they don't embrace the sci-fi action aliens aspect of Superman in the films? It's not "out of character" the way magical stories in Spider-Man or bright sci-fi or campy stories in Batman are.
Seriously, I would go all out with a Darkseid and the armies of Apokalips attack. For that matter, why does Superman's introduction to the world always have to be catching a helicopter or plane? Why can't it be stopping a REAL threat?
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I agree, screw realism! (more or less) Screw earth based villains! Bring on some real foes!
I agree, screw realism! (more or less) Screw earth based villains! Bring on some real foes!
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I hope they put a lot of sci-fi elements in the Superman reboot, too, especially in terms of the villains. The fact that Warners has signed off on a fully-fledged sci-fi adaptation of Green Lantern hopefully signals a willingness to go in that direction with other superhero films, perhaps including Superman.
I hope they put a lot of sci-fi elements in the Superman reboot, too, especially in terms of the villains. The fact that Warners has signed off on a fully-fledged sci-fi adaptation of Green Lantern hopefully signals a willingness to go in that direction with other superhero films, perhaps including Superman.
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Yeah, I'd love to see how much a Superman vs. Darkseid movie would cost.
Yeah, I'd love to see how much a Superman vs. Darkseid movie would cost.
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What I disagree with is the assumption that a science-fictional approach is incompatible with a realistic approach. The "science" part of the phrase "science fiction" is supposed to mean something. And even fantasy is best handled in a naturalistic, plausible manner to facilitate suspension of disbelief.
What I disagree with is the assumption that a science-fictional approach is incompatible with a realistic approach. The "science" part of the phrase "science fiction" is supposed to mean something. And even fantasy is best handled in a naturalistic, plausible manner to facilitate suspension of disbelief.
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^^^
I agree entirely.
^^^
I agree entirely.
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Thinking maybe Avatar budget numbers? With 170 million for Superman Returns, could be a little higher, although maybe they can hire Neil Blomkamp to helm. He managed to keep the costs pretty low on District 9 and the FX on that was pretty good in my opinion, haha
A property like Superman might be too much for him
Thinking maybe Avatar budget numbers? With 170 million for Superman Returns, could be a little higher, although maybe they can hire Neil Blomkamp to helm. He managed to keep the costs pretty low on District 9 and the FX on that was pretty good in my opinion, haha
A property like Superman might be too much for him
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Neil Blomkamp is an inspired choice for Superman. Superman Returns cost around $185 million discounting marketing and other figures (including those from previous failed Superman productions) but apparently the final production budget skyrocketed a bit towards the end of post-production and landed somewhere in the $200 million range.
Neil Blomkamp is an inspired choice for Superman. Superman Returns cost around $185 million discounting marketing and other figures (including those from previous failed Superman productions) but apparently the final production budget skyrocketed a bit towards the end of post-production and landed somewhere in the $200 million range.
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He would be a great choice for "Superman" but I still want to see him make a "Halo" movie if there's a chance.
He would be a great choice for "Superman" but I still want to see him make a "Halo" movie if there's a chance.
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Apparently there is a script for the new Superman reboot (by whom is anybody's guess, according to the following report) and already a first draft of the Batman 3 script as penned by Jonah Nolan.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?optio...icking-up-steam-at-wb&catid=41:news&Itemid=71
Apparently there is a script for the new Superman reboot (by whom is anybody's guess, according to the following report) and already a first draft of the Batman 3 script as penned by Jonah Nolan.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?optio...icking-up-steam-at-wb&catid=41:news&Itemid=71
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Lapis, I'm really enjoying your thoughts on this. I do have a question though (not just for you): what about the trend in (some) comics towards pairing Superman off with Wonder Woman if Lois is for some reason not in the picture? I guess I'm mostly thinking of Kingdom Come here, since I can't think of any other good examples off the top of my head...
Lapis, I'm really enjoying your thoughts on this. I do have a question though (not just for you): what about the trend in (some) comics towards pairing Superman off with Wonder Woman if Lois is for some reason not in the picture? I guess I'm mostly thinking of Kingdom Come here, since I can't think of any other good examples off the top of my head...
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I'd like to read both those films drafts eventually. Interesting thoughts about Lois and Clark Lapis which I agree with...also about earlier statements regarding Margot Kidder, I thought she was a fantastic Lois Lane and her dynamic with Christopher Reeve is great. I just don't like this constant need that Lois needs to fall in Superman without accepting Clark Kent. The comic book Lois Lane managed to fall in love with Superman and later realized she was in love with Clark Kent. This is one aspect of the Donner films and Superman Returns that I'm not a big fan of.
I'd like to read both those films drafts eventually. Interesting thoughts about Lois and Clark Lapis which I agree with...also about earlier statements regarding Margot Kidder, I thought she was a fantastic Lois Lane and her dynamic with Christopher Reeve is great. I just don't like this constant need that Lois needs to fall in Superman without accepting Clark Kent. The comic book Lois Lane managed to fall in love with Superman and later realized she was in love with Clark Kent. This is one aspect of the Donner films and Superman Returns that I'm not a big fan of.
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My thoughts exactly.. we've had 5 Superman movies now and in 3 or 4 of them the main villain was Luthor. It gets old especially with the lame villain plot so i believe they need to expand the scope.
Green Lantern might be the perfect point to widen Superman's world to include some of the more powerful and equal enemies like Darkseid and Brainiac who can really put on some hurt on Superman.
Additionally i'm not convinced by Nolan supervising Superman.. sure, he made some fantastic Batman movies but it remains to be seen if he "understands" Superman as well and isn't just doing dark Superman.
My thoughts exactly.. we've had 5 Superman movies now and in 3 or 4 of them the main villain was Luthor. It gets old especially with the lame villain plot so i believe they need to expand the scope.
Green Lantern might be the perfect point to widen Superman's world to include some of the more powerful and equal enemies like Darkseid and Brainiac who can really put on some hurt on Superman.
Additionally i'm not convinced by Nolan supervising Superman.. sure, he made some fantastic Batman movies but it remains to be seen if he "understands" Superman as well and isn't just doing dark Superman.
