Chapel Character Teaser
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Yeah, that puts it into a better perspective. Thank you!
You forgot "The Enterprise Incident" which was rushed into production because this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
was going on at the time.
Yeah, TOS was NEVER making the same overt political commentary the current Trek shows make...oh, wait...
That sums up TOS Chapel rather well but also most of the female characters labelled as scientists in TOS. They are given almost no agency, no dialogue to demonstrate their qualifications, and most of their opinions are dismissed. Chapel offers up no expert opinion on Koby's work, she doesn't use her influence to obtain additional information, and she sits around like a jealous sack of spuds while Kirk bounces around and does all the work. She does save his life I suppose.
I'd quite like to see Chapel as the brains of the operation, who who does a lot of the groundwork that makes the doctor look good, but doesn't look to take the credit, a bit like Marella in Airwolf. She's an enabler, who uses nudging techniques to get others where she needs them to be.
I'm just about always in close agreement with whatever "agenda" or political position Trek's pushing - Trek and I grew up together.
Having said that, it is dreary to be either lectured to or patronized by television writers who get to congratulate themselves that they're fighting the good fight while living beyter-insulated and wealthier lives than most anyone who'd ever watch their show.
I'm sure their friends are impressed.
If you're looking to pop culture either to teach you life lessons or affirm your beliefs or identity, you've flunked the exercise.
Having said that, it is dreary to be either lectured to or patronized by television writers who get to congratulate themselves that they're fighting the good fight while living beyter-insulated and wealthier lives than most anyone who'd ever watch their show.
I'm sure their friends are impressed.
If you're looking to pop culture either to teach you life lessons or affirm your beliefs or identity, you've flunked the exercise.
Jud Crucis sure was.
Well short of that, I don't enjoy them pandering to me - I'm willing to assume that (most) of them don't think they're educating anyone, just preaching to a (mostly) friendly audience. Hey, I don't like the same people they don't like. I'm less than confident that they've ever had a conversation with one, though.
Mmm...yes. Reminds me of Mick Jagger:
When I'm watchin' my T. V.
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me
I can't get no, oh, no, no, no
Hey, hey, hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction
Heh, well said.
On the other hand, it makes for an easy backdoor for the writers and Spiner to give another crazy Soong.
Like I'm thinking the crazy alcoholic uncle who hates everyone and goes out of his way to belittle Korby and his work every chance he gets.
God I hope they retcon that 1960's sexist trope
Yeah why not, the movies ignored the TOS Klingon design
Or she did not understand the language used by the Klingon they came across, because shock, horror, Klingons have more than one language...just like humans do!
Not every human speaks every human language either. Nothing odd about that. She could have responded in the dialect she did know.
Uhura aside, it was silly that a ship sent on a diplomatic mission with the Klingons had NOBODY on the crew that spoke Klingon. One of many issues I have with TUC...
No, you don't understand. As Humans speak Human, Klingons speak Klingon.
The films did, TNG did, it pretty much moved past it for a long time
Of course. Klingon and Klingonese
That's "Klingoni.."Of course. Klingon and Klingonese
(Per TOS S2 - "The Trouble with Tribbles")
That's "Klingoni.."
(Per TOS S2 - "The Trouble with Tribbles")
"That sagging old rust bucket is designed like a garbage scow. Half the quadrant knows it. That's why they're learning to speak Klingonese."
– Korax, 2268 ("The Trouble with Tribbles")
– Korax, 2268 ("The Trouble with Tribbles")
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Klingonese
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm
I'll go with the original audio from the scene itself (The line / word in question occurs around the 2-minute mark):
To me he definitely says "Klingon-ee"/"Klingoni", not "Klingonese".
Damn. All this time, I thought I was speaking Earther!No, you don't understand. As Humans speak Human, Klingons speak Klingon.
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