Chaos on the Bridge - Shatner's HBO doc about TNG

[t_smitts]

"Regarding the documentary itself, frankly I'm surprised Shatner's ego would let him be involved with the in-depth look at a Star Trek series that had essentially nothing to do with him, and because successul without the original cast. I recall he'd famous said to have STILL never seen an episode a recently as a couple of years ago. (I wonder if that changed with this episode)."

I'm not surprised. Remember The Captains? Y'know, the documentary that's supposed to be about other actors and their experiences portraying ST captains but is really 75% about how awesome The Shat thinks he is.

Huh? You seem to be agreeing with my point.

 

[Hypaspist]

Hardly. Seasons 5 and 6 both offered a great number of terrific episodes: "Redemption", "Darmok", "Unification", "The Perfect Mate", "Realm of Fear", "Relics", "A Fistful of Datas", "Chain of Command", "Tapestry", "Rightful Heir".

In fact both Ron Moore and Brent Spiner have said they consider the 6th season to be the best. In was only in the 7th season, I think that the show started to lose steam (though they still ended with a great finale).

I think it was season 5 when I really became a huge fan. I was 10 and I actually started understanding what was happening on the show, and a lot of episodes had a great impression on me. Maybe I remember season 5 better than it deserves. I Borg, The Quality of Life, The Inner Light, and anything with Ensign Ro were really a big part of my Star Trek experiences as a kid.

When I got to see the earlier seasons, I didn't think they were bad. I liked how sometimes they were a little unsettling. TOS was too at times, and I think that was when it was at its best. Compare Naked Time with Naked Now - Naked Time is actually a good episode.

 

[JeffinOakland]

"Regarding the documentary itself, frankly I'm surprised Shatner's ego would let him be involved with the in-depth look at a Star Trek series that had essentially nothing to do with him, and because successul without the original cast. I recall he'd famous said to have STILL never seen an episode a recently as a couple of years ago. (I wonder if that changed with this episode)."

I'm not surprised. Remember The Captains? Y'know, the documentary that's supposed to be about other actors and their experiences portraying ST captains but is really 75% about how awesome The Shat thinks he is.

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Huh? You seem to be agreeing with my point.

I said I WASN'T surprised. Shatner's insatiable need for attention makes him pathologically incapable of not trying to steal the show and make it about himself. Personally, I've always enjoyed laughing and shaking my head over Shat's schtick.

 

[Doug Otte]

Hardly. Seasons 5 and 6 both offered a great number of terrific episodes: "Redemption", "Darmok", "Unification", "The Perfect Mate", "Realm of Fear", "Relics", "A Fistful of Datas", "Chain of Command", "Tapestry", "Rightful Heir".

In fact both Ron Moore and Brent Spiner have said they consider the 6th season to be the best. In was only in the 7th season, I think that the show started to lose steam (though they still ended with a great finale).

It's a matter of opinion, of course, and it's interesting to find that other fans have different favorites than I do.

In my case, I was so excited by a new series, that I overlooked issues with Seasons 1 and 2 and enjoyed them, then thought they really hit their stride with 3 and 4. I might have just gotten jaded by Season 5, but then (and now) I find the last 3 seasons generally bland, with some outstanding exceptions.

Regarding the documentary itself, frankly I'm surprised Shatner's ego would let him be involved with the in-depth look at a Star Trek series that had essentially nothing to do with him, and because successul without the original cast. I recall he'd famous said to have STILL never seen an episode a recently as a couple of years ago. (I wonder if that changed with this episode).

I was thinking he wanted to do this documentary because he wanted to show what a mess the show was at first, thereby contrasting with the success of Season 1 of "his" series.

 

[BillJ]

I was thinking he wanted to do this documentary because he wanted to show what a mess the show was at first, thereby contrasting with the success of Season 1 of "his" series.

I thought Shatner still owned a piece of "Star Trek". If he does, his interests in the other shows may be purely financial.

 

[Visitor1982]

Was Diana Muldaur interviewed for this as well? If so, what did she say?

 

[dub]

I thought Shatner still owned a piece of "Star Trek".

You're right.

 

[eyeresist]

Shatner has presented and narrated all sorts of things that didn't really have anything to do with him. It's part of his job as an actor for hire. Even when he's credited as director, you can be pretty sure he has a team of writers and researchers to write the show, and in this case it's unbelievable that the idea for the documentary was his own.

 

[BillJ]

Shatner has presented and narrated all sorts of things that didn't really have anything to do with him. It's part of his job as an actor for hire. It's not like he writes and directs these things himself.

http://www.webpronews.com/star-trek...er-in-chaos-on-the-bridge-documentary-2014-08

He wrote and directed Chaos on the Bridge.

 

[BillJ]

“The first and second seasons of The Next Generation are almost unwatchable,” says Ronald D. Moore, a former writer on Star Trek. Moore would go on to create the Battlestar Galactica reboot.

What a tool. There was a lot of good material there and people busting their asses to put it on the air.

 

[eyeresist]

It's not like he writes and directs these things himself.

http://www.webpronews.com/star-trek...er-in-chaos-on-the-bridge-documentary-2014-08

He wrote and directed Chaos on the Bridge.

Yeah, I fixed that

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Any word on a US airing of the doc?

“The first and second seasons of The Next Generation are almost unwatchable,” says Ronald D. Moore, a former writer on Star Trek.

What a tool. There was a lot of good material there and people busting their asses to put it on the air.

Can't really disagree. By those standards, the first and second seasons of all the spinoffs are "almost unwatchable"...

 

[Trek Survivor]

Typical Ron Moore quote - in more than one interview he comes across like he thinks he's the be-all and end-all when it comes to good Trek.

Season 1-2 had lots of great stuff. Seasons 3-7 had lots of duff stuff. It's all good.

 

[Hypaspist]

It's not like Ronald D Moore's opinion isn't valid. Saying that he didn't like the first seasons probably made the producers more willing to use his stories, because they were looking for something different. It's the same way that Wrath of Khan came to be because its writer called TMP boring.
Now I like TMP, but it's good that there is a creative mind who didn't like it so that he got his shot at telling a story.

 

[BillJ]

It's not like Ronald D Moore's opinion isn't valid. Saying that he didn't like the first seasons probably made the producers more willing to use his stories, because they were looking for something different. It's the same way that Wrath of Khan came to be because its writer called TMP boring.
Now I like TMP, but it's good that there is a creative mind who didn't like it so that he got his shot at telling a story.

But you don't publicly criticize the work of the people that were there before you came along. It's a douchebag move and not surprising coming from Moore.

Plus, for many people the show was obviously very watchable or else there wouldn't have been a season three for Ron Moore to come write for.

 

[Melakon]

I find fan opinion of Moore to be overrated. I thought the introductory miniseries to his nuBSG to be so boring, I had trouble staying awake. I managed to get through Season 1 of it, and the first half of Season 2, but not sure I want to stay with it.

 

[BillJ]

I find fan opinion of Moore to be overrated. I thought the introductory miniseries to his nuBSG to be so boring, I had trouble staying awake. I managed to get through Season 1 of it, and the first half of Season 2, but not sure I want to stay with it.

I never got the love.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I find fan opinion of Moore to be overrated. I thought the introductory miniseries to his nuBSG to be so boring, I had trouble staying awake. I managed to get through Season 1 of it, and the first half of Season 2, but not sure I want to stay with it.

I find fan opinion of Moore to be overrated. I thought the introductory miniseries to his nuBSG to be so boring, I had trouble staying awake. I managed to get through Season 1 of it, and the first half of Season 2, but not sure I want to stay with it.

I never got the love.

And yet without him, BSG would not have become the successful comeback story (as an IP) that it did.

 

[BillJ]

And yet without him, BSG would not have become the successful comeback story (as an IP) that it did.

But is it really a successful comeback story? At its best, it drew fewer viewers than Enterprise did during season three and four. Caprica collapsed after one season and Blood and Chrome never made it beyond the pilot stage. A very narrow audience found it good.

I enjoyed the original version much more. It may be hokey at times, but at least it had likable characters.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I find Ronald Moore overrated myself.