Chakotay as Captain and Janeway as First Officer

[WoTe]

Near the end of episode (Parallax) Chakotay asks if things went differently and they were on a Maquis ship now, would Janeway serve under him. She deflects it.

Incorporating any changes you feel like, (Bigger Maquis ship or whatever) what you think would have been like?

I imagine if Voyager was destroyed in an idealistic decision to help the Ocampa, that the Maquis ship and crew, less advanced, would have resorted to piracy. It would have been Seska's time to shine. They'd probably hijack several vessels.

I don't think Janeway would have mutinied, but I definitely see her peeling off with a substantial amount of crew within a season. Chakotay seems the type that would set the ship on park at the 37 planet.

If you really want to flip the script, have Chakotay be the Starfleet Captain and Janeway as the Maquis rebel. It would have fit her, I think. Especially season 3-4+ Janeway.

 

[Terok Nor]

Seska would have assassinated Janeway the first chance she got. No doubt the crew would have been back home by the episode Prime Factors at the latest.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

No, the ship would have been blown up in Prime Factors because the space folding trajector used antineutrinos and wasn't compatible with Federation technology.

The more interesting question would be if Janeway was Maquis and Chakotay was Federation... who else would be topsy turvy?

Would Torres be his Federation engineer or her Maquis engineer.

Tuvok would still be a Federation spy on Janeway's ship... but would he have survived the reveal in Caretaker?

One thing is for sure... Harry wouldn't get promoted any quicker on his ship than hers.

As for Seska, since I don't see Janeway "swinging" that way, would Seska be a spy on Chakotay's Federation ship or a bestfriend spy on Janeway's Maquis ship?

 

[T'Girl]

Janeway would be required to dye her hair jet black, be stationed at the helm and Chakotay would call her "number one."

 

[Ember]

Janeway would be required to dye her hair jet black, be stationed at the helm and Chakotay would call her "number one."

She'd also grow a bushy beard and refuse to accept a command of her own vessel upon return to the Federation.

 

[Go-Captain]

I can't remember the timing in the first episode, but I'm fairly certain there was not enough time to use the Caretaker array to get home before the bad guys would invade the station.

The earliest the crews can get back is likely when they encounter the wormhole through which the Ferengi arrived. Instead of investigating the emissions from the planet they shoot through the wormhole and they're home free. Or, they do investigate and either leave the Ferengi because they're fine, or kidnap them, saving a whole lot of time, and make it back just fine.

Then again I'm assuming Chakotay is still in charge by this point, and that his personality would allow for that. Frankly, I have no grasp of Chakotay's personality at all, despite having seen every single episode. I'll go with the idea that it is mainly Janeway pushing the idea that they have to stick by the book no matter what, and even she is inconsistent in that.

Let's say Chakotay is perfectly aware of how inconsistent Janeway can be, and never has to do what she wants. Considering he left Starfleet to help people in need who were part of his perceived group, people he sees as abandoned by the Federation, I get the impression he would put his crew first. He purposefully left Starfleet and Federation rules behind when joining the Marquis, and that action shows he thinks those rules are inadequate for moral action.

It is easy to see a well written Chakotay as someone who respects the old rules well enough, but sees them as unrealistic for every situation. I wish I could remember anything about him beyond his pseudo mysticism and origin.

 

[WoTe]

Then again I'm assuming Chakotay is still in charge by this point, and that his personality would allow for that. Frankly, I have no grasp of Chakotay's personality at all, despite having seen every single episode. I'll go with the idea that it is mainly Janeway pushing the idea that they have to stick by the book no matter what, and even she is inconsistent in that....

I wish I could remember anything about him beyond his pseudo mysticism and origin.

That's because we don't know what his animal guide is. If we did, everything would fall into place.

Is it Puss the Kitty, Badge the Beaver, Sid the Sloth, Worf the Targ, or Horn the Dog? Just dk. I bet it was neutered though.

 

[stardream]

I wish I could remember anything about him beyond his pseudo mysticism and origin.

I'm not a shipper but I got the vague impression that he was in love with Janeway even though she could not/would not reciprocate. It could be I was just hanging out with too many people who were shippers. (I don't recommend doing that).

Is it Puss the Kitty, Badge the Beaver, Sid the Sloth, Worf the Targ, or Horn the Dog? Just dk. I bet it was neutered though.

Don't make fun of animal guides. They have ways of finding you....a neutered Targ might invade your dreams tonight and he will NOT be happy.

As far as I know there is no prohibition on telling anyone who your animal guide is. Actually its a spirit that takes the form of a familiar animal so the more accurate term would be 'spirit guide' but I digress....but I've never heard the 'don't tell anyone' rule. Maybe I'm hanging around the wrong Natives.

 

[WoTe]

I'm not a shipper but I got the vague impression that he was in love with Janeway even though she could not/would not reciprocate. It could be I was just hanging out with too many people who were shippers. (I don't recommend doing that).

Not a shipper, but I thought Chakotay made it pretty damn explicit during Resolutions in S2:

(Janeway comes out of her bedroom.)

JANEWAY: We have to talk about this.

CHAKOTAY: All right.

JANEWAY: I think we need to define some parameters about us.

CHAKOTAY: I'm not sure I can define parameters. But I can tell you a story, an ancient legend among my people. It's about an angry warrior who lived his life in conflict with the rest of his tribe, a man who couldn't find peace, even with the help of his spirit guide. For years, he struggled with his discontent. But the only satisfaction he ever got came when he was in battle. This made him a hero among his tribe, but the warrior still longed for peace within himself. One day he and his war party were captured by a neighbouring tribe led by a woman warrior. She called on him to join her because her tribe was too small and weak to defend itself from all its enemies. The woman warrior was brave and beautiful and very wise. The angry warrior swore to himself that he would stay by her side, doing whatever he could to make her burden lighter. From that point on, her needs would come first. And in that way, the warrior began to know the true meaning of peace.

JANEWAY: Is that really an ancient legend?

CHAKOTAY: No. But that made it easier to say.

 

[stardream]

I'm not a shipper but I got the vague impression that he was in love with Janeway even though she could not/would not reciprocate. It could be I was just hanging out with too many people who were shippers. (I don't recommend doing that).

Not a shipper, but I thought Chakotay made it pretty damn explicit during Resolutions in S2:

(Janeway comes out of her bedroom.)

JANEWAY: We have to talk about this.

CHAKOTAY: All right.

JANEWAY: I think we need to define some parameters about us.

CHAKOTAY: I'm not sure I can define parameters. But I can tell you a story, an ancient legend among my people. It's about an angry warrior who lived his life in conflict with the rest of his tribe, a man who couldn't find peace, even with the help of his spirit guide. For years, he struggled with his discontent. But the only satisfaction he ever got came when he was in battle. This made him a hero among his tribe, but the warrior still longed for peace within himself. One day he and his war party were captured by a neighbouring tribe led by a woman warrior. She called on him to join her because her tribe was too small and weak to defend itself from all its enemies. The woman warrior was brave and beautiful and very wise. The angry warrior swore to himself that he would stay by her side, doing whatever he could to make her burden lighter. From that point on, her needs would come first. And in that way, the warrior began to know the true meaning of peace.

JANEWAY: Is that really an ancient legend?

CHAKOTAY: No. But that made it easier to say.

You are right. I forgot about that but then that's one of those episodes that I tend to watch on autopilot.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

In a realistic universe, Chakotay would be a far better captain. Janeway would just be WAY too reckless, she'd have gotten them killed a hundred times over. Chakotay's got the common sense a leader in the real world needs.

BUT the characters of Voyager don't live in a realistic universe, they live in a TV universe. And as it stands, Captain Chakotay's common sense had them still lost after 7 years, in the alternate timeline of "Before and After," not to mention the disturbing lack of Seven of Nine. Janeway's insane recklessness led to most of the crew's successes. But that's not because insane recklessness makes a good captain; it just makes a good TV protagonist.

As for the Maquis/Starfleet switch, it would be interesting. A Starfleet captain stuck on a Maquis ship lost in space. I imagine it would be a bit like "Firefly," with this rough-and-tumble crew and then one gentler crewmate coming from a more benign moral background. Janeway would basically be the Shepherd Book of Chakotay's crew. And/or maybe Tuvok would, assuming he survived.

But making Janeway the Maquis and Chak the Starfleet... I can't imagine Chakotay without his outlaw background. But I guess it could work. Maybe Maquis Janeway would be the one to encourage Chakotay to get back to his roots and join the fight to protect his homeworld.

 

[WoTe]

As for the Maquis/Starfleet switch, it would be interesting. A Starfleet captain stuck on a Maquis ship lost in space. I imagine it would be a bit like "Firefly," with this rough-and-tumble crew and then one gentler crewmate coming from a more benign moral background. Janeway would basically be the Shepherd Book of Chakotay's crew. And/or maybe Tuvok would, assuming he survived.

Actually, now that would be interesting. Assuming Tuvok or Janeway would even tell them of the infiltration. I'd think they'd just be quiet about all that and Tuvok would act as Janeway's advocate on the Maquis ship.

He'll be that ship's Seska, in a sense.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is what I heard them say in Resolutions...

"You want to #### me?"

"I want to #### you."

"Do you have to #### me now?"

"No rush, you can #### me later."

"Deal, I'll #### you later."

...

1. A contract for an undetermined future point.

2. It took that tomato plant 2 to 5 months to grow as big as it did in the last 3 minutes of the episode.

 

[Beawild]

There have been quite a few fanfics where Voyager is destroyed and Janeway has to serve under Chakotay. They are interesting, but I think that the original choice is what worked best under their circumstances. They were not in the Alpha Quadrant. Janeway was the captain needed for the DQ. Sometimes Janeway's balls to the wall attitude is what got them out of a tight spot, Scientific Method comes to mind. I think that Chakotay's steadfast and cautious behavior would have served them well in the Alpha Quadrant, but in the DQ they would probably not have made it home until the predicted 70 plus years had come to pass. After all, it was an older version of Janeway who threw caution to the wind, went back in time and got them home sooner.

 

[T'Girl]

As for the Maquis/Starfleet switch, it would be interesting. A Starfleet captain stuck on a Maquis ship lost in space.

Or the ship could have still have been Voyager, with the Maquis ship destroyed. But Janeway only had thirty odd people left, while Chakotay brought over a crew of a hundred and twenty Maquis.

How would Janeway remain captain?

 

[Long Syntax]

A Starfleet captain stuck on a Maquis ship lost in space.

I envision an odd crossover series resulting from this quote

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

I have a question to ask. (IF the prodiucteurs of the series had eventually given up and write a Janeway/Chakotay love affair), do you think that Chakotay would have let the captain continue to lead her vessel & team, without trying to intervene in her command, thinking that, as he was at the moment her lover, this situation gave him the right to share the command (with the risk of putting Janeway in an uncomfortable situation, as seeing as on certain subjects, they were clearly in total disagreement)?

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

(oops, I sent my message too quickly. Sorry. )

For my part, I think that he'd have tried to pressure on Janeway but that, in the end, she would have stood firm, reminding him that she didn't mix the personal and professional relationships.

 

[hux]

Not a shipper, but I thought Chakotay made it pretty damn explicit during Resolutions in S2:

I've never really bought this notion that he was especially nuts about her and as far as Resolutions is concerned, I think he just liked the idea of settling there. He accepted that they were going to be spending there life there so quickly moved on to thinking about "sleeping arrangements." I suspect he would have pursued something similar with any other woman.

I have a question to ask. (IF the prodiucteurs of the series had eventually given up and write a Janeway/Chakotay love affair), do you think that Chakotay would have let the captain continue to lead her vessel & team, without trying to intervene in her command, thinking that, as he was at the moment her lover, this situation gave him the right to share the command (with the risk of putting Janeway in an uncomfortable situation, as seeing as on certain subjects, they were clearly in total disagreement)?

I worked with a woman (higher up than me) who was a pain in the arse to me at work. When we started sleeping together, she got worse.

I think she wanted to dissuade people from possible accusations of playing favourites.

 

[suarezguy]

I think if the reversed scenario had happened Janeway would (like Chakotay was) be both committed to getting the group home and appreciative of the chain of command structure that she would loyally serve and support him although she would in private be more critical in her comments than he was, bringing up his outlaw past (even if the majority of the crew was likewise) and accusing him of again being selfish or unprincipled. Seska would have probably still alienated Chakotay and pushed him closer to Janeway and her views and style.

I don't see how Janeway, at least in the beginning, could have been in the Maquis when she was so dedicated to the chain of command and following established principles, if she had she would be a real different character.