Spoilers Chakotay and Adreek-Hu

[Deks]

I mean, it took Admiral Jellico and a direct order to keep her from violating the Romulan Neural Zone. My initial response to this is that she will go to quite extensive lengths.

Actually, it took her first officer to stop her from following the ship into the N.Z. initially. She consuled with Jellico afterwards.

Also, she was working under less than accurate info at the time and I think she kept a rather objective head in the matter, considering that she was more concerned about KIDS being in control of the Protostar and this unknown weapon onboard (which she voiced to Jellico - and the matter was indeed quite serious).
It was Jellico who inferred her judgment is clouded due to Chakotay... which I also think is accurate to a degree.

There's no doubt in my mind Janeway will go to significant measures to rescue Chakotay, however, she also lives in the moment and focuses on that moment quite well... and she's not in the DQ anymore... so she will have to consider all the options.

But I think even Jellico might approve of her rescue mission for Chakotay and his crew... or she might go directly against him and risk demotion on that matter.

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, it took her first officer to stop her from following the ship into the N.Z. initially. She consuled with Jellico afterwards.

Also, she was working under less than accurate info at the time and I think she kept a rather objective head in the matter, considering that she was more concerned about KIDS being in control of the Protostar and this unknown weapon onboard (which she voiced to Jellico - and the matter was indeed quite serious).
It was Jellico who inferred her judgment is clouded due to Chakotay... which I also think is accurate to a degree.

There's no doubt in my mind Janeway will go to significant measures to rescue Chakotay, however, she also lives in the moment and focuses on that moment quite well... and she's not in the DQ anymore... so she will have to consider all the options.

But I think even Jellico might approve of her rescue mission for Chakotay and his crew... or she might go directly against him and risk demotion on that matter.

She definitely is doing her best. I just strongly suspect that she will go to great lengths to save Chakotay, and the Protostar and the kids.

 

[Deks]

The Diviner could have been manipulated by ‘Future Guy’ in to starting a chain of events which would lead to the destruction of Romulus as part of the temporal war. The Vau n’akat civil war could have been manipulated by those with a hidden agenda. They could have read the timeline like Daniel’s could and predicted the chain of events that would unfold across time periods. A faction in the temporal Cold War could even have opened up the anomaly which sent the Protostar in to the future. The Diviner could have been manipulated like Silik and the Suliban were by Future Guy. Future Guy might have been relying on Dal flying the Protostar and the Living Construct in to the Romulan sun in order to protect the Federation, and by doing so inadvertently destroying Romulus via a slow burn supernova which would wipe them out as a faction in the temporal Cold War in the far future.

Someone else from the future might need to warn Dal and the gang, but I think that Dal would have figured out not to fly the Protostar in to the Romulan sun to destroy the Living construct so perhaps he has temporal intuition like the Borg Queen and Guinan?

Since the Temporal Cold War was dealt with in ENT, I doubt it will be revisited as a potential plot.
On a level, it WOULD make sense that certain temporal anomalies appearing in earlier history of UFP were done by future factions in the TCW... however, they could just as well be natural phenomena.

Future Guy seemed to have an odd agenda and motives to begin with that shifted from time to time.
Yes, he did seem to warn Earth of the Sphere Builders, but he also had minimal qualm about attacking NX-01 in the first 2 seasons... otherwise, why not simply tell the Suliban Cabal to NOT engage Earth/SF or Enterprise?

At any rate, I doubt the Diviner was manipulated by Future Guy.
It all seems like a contemporary social problem. SF made fisrt contact with Solum... the indigenous species might not have been ready to accept the prospect of alien life entirely (despite having Warp drive etc.) and as such, FC had a polarizing effect on Solum which split the planet into 2 portions of the population - one which sided with UFP, and the other that did not like the prospect of alien life to begin with. Then a third party emerged (the Order) which came down to about 100 individuals off the side who were intially pro UFP (and probably some from the opposing side) but were disappointed that SF never helped them to bring an end to conflict on Solum (which I have no idea how SF could do that even if they wanted to interfere - any kind of attempt at SF of interfering in that conflict could have resulted in more problems for Solum).

 

[Deks]

She definitely is doing her best. I just strongly suspect that she will go to great lengths to save Chakotay, and the Protostar and the kids.

For which she should be commended if she does... but I would like Janeway to find a way to do so without necessarily violating various rules (bending them though? That would be a YES!).
I'm seriously looking forward to VADM JAneway interacting with all the kids and possibly her hologram self as well... and maybe seeing them all trying to rescue Chakotay and his crew (with the Dauntless and its crew).

 

[fireproof78]

For which she should be commended if she does... but I would like Janeway to find a way to do so without necessarily violating various rules (bending them though? That would be a YES!).
I'm seriously looking forward to VADM JAneway interacting with all the kids and possibly her hologram self as well... and maybe seeing them all trying to rescue Chakotay and his crew (with the Dauntless and its crew).

I am curious as to how she will resolve this, though I strongly suspect that it will involve potential time travel. Not necessarily, but the potential is there and that will be an interesting challenge to tackle in such a way that is entertaining and not eye rolling in it's execution.

 

[Timofnine]

Since the Temporal Cold War was dealt with in ENT, I doubt it will be revisited as a potential plot.
On a level, it WOULD make sense that certain temporal anomalies appearing in earlier history of UFP were done by future factions in the TCW... however, they could just as well be natural phenomena.

Future Guy seemed to have an odd agenda and motives to begin with that shifted from time to time.
Yes, he did seem to warn Earth of the Sphere Builders, but he also had minimal qualm about attacking NX-01 in the first 2 seasons... otherwise, why not simply tell the Suliban Cabal to NOT engage Earth/SF or Enterprise?

At any rate, I doubt the Diviner was manipulated by Future Guy.
It all seems like a contemporary social problem. SF made fisrt contact with Solum... the indigenous species might not have been ready to accept the prospect of alien life entirely (despite having Warp drive etc.) and as such, FC had a polarizing effect on Solum which split the planet into 2 portions of the population - one which sided with UFP, and the other that did not like the prospect of alien life to begin with. Then a third party emerged (the Order) which came down to about 100 individuals off the side who were intially pro UFP (and probably some from the opposing side) but were disappointed that SF never helped them to bring an end to conflict on Solum (which I have no idea how SF could do that even if they wanted to interfere - any kind of attempt at SF of interfering in that conflict could have resulted in more problems for Solum).

It doesn’t have to be ‘Future Guy’, there are ‘other’ factions in the time war. Regardless, I like the thought of Dal being partly temporal intuitive, he may have some of the traits of all of the species that he is part hybrid of. For example, being part Vulcan may give him mental self discipline, and if he has any Betazoid in him he may also be slightly empathic. He could be part El Aurian giving him temporal intuition. As he grows up he might discover all of these abilities. It could have been intended by his creator that he was to be a ‘Watcher’ (see Picard season 2), but something went wrong when he was young.

I think that Prodigy as a show has these priorities at the moment, in no particular order:

• Preventing the destruction of Starfleet.
• Preventing the destruction of Romulus.
• Neutralising the Living Construct and removing it from the ship.
• Making amends somehow with the Vau N’akat.
• Rescuing Chakotay.

 

[Deks]

I think that Prodigy as a show has these priorities at the moment, in no particular order:

• Preventing the destruction of Starfleet.
• Preventing the destruction of Romulus.
• Neutralising the Living Construct and removing it from the ship.
• Making amends somehow with the Vau N’akat.
• Rescuing Chakotay.

Destruction of Romulus though is not high on the agenda. We only had a brief interaction with the Romulans thus far and the Protostar being in the Neutral Zone for a bit avoiding the Dauntless.
The teens on the Protostar aren't even aware of Romulan star is going to go nova (but the UFP might be, and is one of the reasons why they are conducting the current negotiations).

The Romulans and star going nova might be addressed later on (once the Vau'N'A'Kat story is done)... but right now, this doesn't seem to be the show's focus.

 

[Tuskin38]

Preventing the destruction of Romulus.

Prodigy hasn't shown this as being a focus of the story.

 

[Deks]

I am curious as to how she will resolve this, though I strongly suspect that it will involve potential time travel. Not necessarily, but the potential is there and that will be an interesting challenge to tackle in such a way that is entertaining and not eye rolling in it's execution.

Agreed.
Though, we can't set our expectations too high (even though Prodigy did manage to execute things thus far pretty well).

There are 'moments' I find enjoyable in various scifi shows.
In Prodigy, it was when holo Janeway was observing the files on when the Vau'N'A'Kat and Dreadnok initially boarded the Protostar (and planted the weapon) and there was a sudden 'realization' of holo Janeway and her confronting Dreadnok on deleting her memory files and Dreadnok recognizing holo Janeway in one of the earlier episodes... her 'exchange' with Dreadnok (however brief) was 'chilling' in a way but also partly satisfying. It would be nice for holo Janeway or VADM Janeway to get a bit of a turnaround on Dreadnok.

These snippets of 'realization' that occur in various series is what tickles me.
I was also in a similar state when VADM Janeway pieced together the fact that the kids are just kids and found themselves way in over their heads.

 

[Wouter]

Agreed.
These snippets of 'realization' that occur in various series is what tickles me.
I was also in a similar state when VADM Janeway pieced together the fact that the kids are just kids and found themselves way in over their heads.

That was also a moment I though to be very satisfying.

 

[fireproof78]

Though, we can't set our expectations too high (even though Prodigy did manage to execute things thus far pretty well).

I have none. This story involves time travel, which sets my expectations too pretty much zero.

 

[Timofnine]

Destruction of Romulus though is not high on the agenda. We only had a brief interaction with the Romulans thus far and the Protostar being in the Neutral Zone for a bit avoiding the Dauntless.
The teens on the Protostar aren't even aware of Romulan star is going to go nova (but the UFP might be, and is one of the reasons why they are conducting the current negotiations).

The Romulans and star going nova might be addressed later on (once the Vau'N'A'Kat story is done)...

Unless the Vau N’akat story is an indirect catalyst leading to the supernova and therefore as a result of ‘cause and effect’ they are both one and the same story, with the Living Construct being the cause of the destruction of the Romulan sun. These seemingly unconnected storylines could all be ever more catastrophically cascading ‘butterfly effects’. We have had no confirmation yet that Starfleet or the Romulans currently know about the pending supernova, all that we know is that it will happen in 4-5 years from current events in Prodigy. The Federation/Romulan negotiations mentioned in previous episodes could quite simply have been peace talks. We know that the nova was not instant, it was a ‘slow burner’ giving the Romulans *some* time to begin evacuating their planets; the cause of this nova is currently unknown. It is possible that the supernova has already been prevented if Dal has piloted the Protostar and the Living Construct out of Romulan space and the Neutral Zone and does not intend to pilot the Protostar back in that direction. Hopefully Dal will not run out of options and decide that the Living Construct needs to be destroyed in another sun. I believe that Dal would conclude that the best solution would be for him to drop all of his friends off in a safe place and pilot the Protostar to a remote location away from any life forms and civilisations so that he can auto destruct the Protostar using his command codes in order to protect Starfleet from the Living Construct and also to prevent it from accidentally harming any other life. Even if this does not destroy the Living Construct it will leave it floating around in space where no one can find it like what Worf, Dax and Kor did with the ‘The Sword of Kahless’. This is all assuming that the Construct can not be neutralised by any other means which seems to be the case so far. No other Starfleet Captain would accept that thing staying on their ship, and neither should Dal. It would really frustrate me watching this toon each week with the gang knowing that the Living Construct is on the ship and just accepting it being there because the writers just did not know how to remove it. Unless they *really* couldn’t get it off the ship in which case they would have to start to develop it as a character and give it a personality so that it is not just ‘there’, it could start to talk to the Prodigy crew a bit like Siri, Cortana or Zora in Discovery. But when they spoke to it the crew would know that it is ‘not very nice’, so they would not treat it in a friendly way as if it was a part of the ‘crew’, it could even begin to taunt them.

Prodigy hasn't shown this as being a focus of the story.

It is not the focus, but it could be an unintentional consequence. I do admit though that it would be the biggest reset button *ever* pressed in the history of Star Trek, so it just might not be possible. They would also need to consider what happens in the other series Picard, so I am *hoping* that all of the Prodigy writers have seen Picard season 3 so that they do not unintentionally conflict with anything that may pop up in that. I guess that live action is more canon than toon, so it really doesn’t matter though.

 

[Tuskin38]

I am *hoping* that all of the Prodigy writers have seen Picard season 3

Well this season would have been written 2 years ago if it's like other 3D animated series, because of how long animation takes to be done.

So writing would most likely have been done before Picard Season 3 was written, or close to it.

 

[The Wormhole]

Future Guy seemed to have an odd agenda and motives to begin with that shifted from time to time.
Yes, he did seem to warn Earth of the Sphere Builders, but he also had minimal qualm about attacking NX-01 in the first 2 seasons... otherwise, why not simply tell the Suliban Cabal to NOT engage Earth/SF or Enterprise?

Future Guy's agenda seemed to be to warn Archer about the Xindi, and indeed everything in the first two seasons of Enterprise, at least in his dealing with the NX-01 are concerned seem to be geared toward that goal.

He didn't want Earth involved in Broken Bow, indeed upon learning Klaang crashed on Earth Future Guy even tells Silik it's too early to involved Earth. The only reason Suliban were sent to the NX-01 was to retrieve Klaang. Even later on when Archer fights Silik on the Helix, Silik was willing to let Archer walk away. Granted, he then decided to try and kill Archer upon learning Archer knows about the TCW, but this can be written off as Silik being impulsive and that Future Guy did not approve.

In Cold Front Silik is acting under Future Guy's orders to prevent the NX-01's destruction, presumably so it can be around to fight the Xindi.

In Shockwave it can be argued his intent in destroying the mining colony and framing the NX-01 was to get it recalled so that it could be on hand in the Sol system when the Xindi attack, and could be deployed to the Expanse as soon as possible. Following this logic, by the end of the episode Future Guy probably felt enough of a detour had been made that the NX-01 would still be able to make it to the Expanse in time to stop the Xindi so he was content to leave them be afterwards.

And in Future Tense, the Suliban were only after the time pod, the NX-01 only happened to get there first and thus got in the Suliban's way.

And finally The Expanse where after the Xindi attack Earth, Future Guy gets in contact with Archer to inform him about the Xindi. After this, Future Guy leaves Archer alone for the remainder of the series. Silik only turns to Archer in Storm Front because of the threat posed by the Alien Nazis.

 

[Markonian]

The Voth would look cool in this toon and dinosaurs are always cool with younger audiences. They could have some *actual* dinosaurs on the show, not just the bipedal evolutions of the Voth.

Dinosaurs fit well into Star Trek. We need more teeth!

 

[Timofnine]

Well this season would have been written 2 years ago if it's like other 3D animated series, because of how long animation takes to be done.

So writing would most likely have been done before Picard Season 3 was written, or close to it.

Well that means that the writers should be writing season 2 of Prodigy now, in which case I hope that they have seen Picard season 3 so that they do not contradict anything that show puts in to canon. Also, they should have at least written the pilot for the Seven of Nine spin-off show by now so they might need to cross reference against that working script and series concept too.

I hope that Terry Matalas is coordinating all of this properly so that there are no conflicts. There is also the new movie to consider too, I’m not sure where that is going to fit in to continuity though if JJ Trek gets rebooted with the destruction of the Romulan sun getting cancelled therefore wiping out his timeline - but this could be worked in to a Final JJ Abrams film; they could remake the TNG episode ‘Remember Me’ with Chris Pine’s Kirk taking on the situation that Beverley Crusher found herself in, his crew could just slowly ‘erase’ one by one and no one but Kirk notices. Eventually at the end of the movie, deep fake versions of the original TOS cast replace the new cast on a recreation of the bridge of the Enterprise A, recreating the final scene of Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.

 

[Tuskin38]

Prodigy and Picard are 20 years apart I don’t think they need to worry about anything.

Now Lower Decks we do know they coordinate with, as they gave Okona an eyepatch in Lower Decks because he would have one in Prodigy.

Also, they should have at least written the pilot for the Seven of Nine spin-off show by now

Stop getting your hopes up. You’ll just end up disappointed

 

[StewMc]

A Seven of Nine spinoff and preventing the destruction of Romulus in Prodigy, did I turn over two pages at once?

 

[fireproof78]

A Seven of Nine spinoff and preventing the destruction of Romulus in Prodigy, did I turn over two pages at once?

Several pages, and possibly jumped in to the "Future of Trek" forum it seems

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Prodigy hasn't shown this as being a focus of the story.

And as PIC showed, we know it will never be.