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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Well, I managed to get banned from the Axanar fan group for pointing out that there is a difference between not making a profit and being a non-profit. I was told if I wanted to bitch I could do that somewhere else. My reply that pointing out facts was not bitching was the last straw. Ah well, I guess I just joined a very distinguished group.
 
Sgt_G said:
From that Twitter exchange:

AxaMonitor ‏@AxaMonitor: @jpbernard82 A documentary would more clearly fall under the fair use provisions of copyright law as a work of news/research/commentary.
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If it's done in-universe / in-character, it's -NOT- a real documentary. Just shooting a fictional story in a style that looks like a documentary, the so-called "mockumenary", does not change the fact that it's still just a fiction story. This should not fall under "fair use" copyright exemptions.


Robert Meyer Burnett‏@BurnettRM: Once again prepping my Kickstarter for THE BATTLE OF AXANAR documentary. I'm gonna' shoot some awesome scene recreations on our sets.​

Ah, what sets? TrekWorks was there just a couple weeks ago, and you had no sets worth shooting on. Based on what I saw in their tour video, you have at least six to eight weeks of hard work remaining to get them ready to shoot. And given how long you've been working on them, I'd say your pace puts you at six to eight months away from being ready.
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Holy crap. Is RMB really going to say, film Axanar, then bookend it with a documentary about the lawsuit and then try and claim the Axanar film now falls under 'fair use' because it's part of said documentary? If so, the man has really gone off the deep end as you can bet that will not fly in a court. Now, as he was never named as a 'Doe' in the Axanar lawsuit, technically, I guess he can do what he wants; BUT in the end, if the Axanar feature film (or major parts thereof) end up in the documentary, it's a pretty safe bet hell get sued himself by CBS and or Paramount, and we'll go through this whole circus again.

I really have to wonder if Justin Lin/JJ Abrams is aware of the situation and now really regret making statements in support of the Axanar lawsuit "...going away..." At this point, if it's not clear to a majority of Star Trek fans WHY these monumental idiots of Axanar (Alec Peters and Robert Meyer Burnett) got their production sued; or why C/P should fully prosecute their copyright infringement case, go through the trial and bankrupt Axanar, then Star Trek fandom as a whole is in a VERY sad state. After something like this, C/P should just walk out of any settlement talks with a "See you all at your depositions, and in Trial in January..."

At this point, all I can say is: WTF?!:wtf:
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
Robert Meyer Burnett and Alec Peters masturbating over each other for two hours, while shitting on every other fan film (except Ambush!) and blaming CBS for everything they themselves brought about.
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Hmmm..I think The Fetish People™ are gonna have some copyright© issues with this scene.

Plus, PG-13 is going to be a Reach...
 
People asked why the fan film guidelines had to be so draconian This is why.. Look who C/P is dealing with. Something tells me this kickstarter for the documentary won't be under the 50k threshold.
 
Pretty much what the whole Axanar project has been for Alec........

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MikeH92467 said:
Well, I managed to get banned from the Axanar fan group for pointing out that there is a difference between not making a profit and being a non-profit. I was told if I wanted to bitch I could do that somewhere else. My reply that pointing out facts was not bitching was the last straw. Ah well, I guess I just joined a very distinguished group.
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I'm actually mildly impressed you managed to not get banned for this long. I only survived a few hours after our statement came out.
 
mos6507 said:
Copyright law is out of sync with what people feel is fair and balanced. People feel that selective enforcement is inherently UNfair. That's why these sort of discussions go in circles. That friction between our innate sense of fairness and copyright law can't reconcile themselves
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Maybe that's what your sense of fairness says - I think it's entirely fair that we don't force people who own intellectual property to bankrupt themselves defending it, or lose it. It would basically mean that you could control any IP you wanted by making enough infractions to overwhelm the resources of the owner to defend it. Easy to side with the little guy against the big corporation, but apply the morals to those who don't have billions of dollars - artists, authors, cartoonists, small publishers, etc. Even a mega corporation like Disney would struggle to enforce every copyright violation out there for its properties.
 
So....I presume the Axanar folks deny that they were trying to create a for profit studio off the back of the Star Trek name. What are they saying to "debunk" this claim?
 
Cinema Geekly said:
So....I presume the Axanar folks deny that they were trying to create a for profit studio off the back of the Star Trek name. What are they saying to "debunk" this claim?
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Everybody else created a studio as well and let others use it. "everybody else did it" is the company line.

Makes me wonder how many fan films he's going to throw under the bus in his documentary.
 
cultcross said:
Maybe that's what your sense of fairness says - I think it's entirely fair that we don't force people who own intellectual property to bankrupt themselves defending it,
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That's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about, out of the pool of high profile projects that are well-known to CBS/P, for them to target some while giving a free-pass to others, all the while holding out official guidelines that are supposed to apply to all. If all things were equal (no crowdfunding or other shenanigans to muddy the waters), what would be fair would be an all or nothing policy, not for CBS/P to quietly play favorites.
 
Cinema Geekly said:
So....I presume the Axanar folks deny that they were trying to create a for profit studio off the back of the Star Trek name. What are they saying to "debunk" this claim?
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Alec claims he hasn't made a profit (however he defines 'profit') so that makes him a "non-profit". It was when I pointed out for the second time to one of his followers that just because you don't make a profit, doesn't make you a "non-profit". He got involved when I pointed out that he is not registered as a 501c(3) and the Axanite that I was engaged said that if that was the case "somebody fucked up" since he has people working with him who know better. I guess that was a little too close to actually acknowledging that Alec might not be quite leveling with his fans.
 
mos6507 said:
That's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about, out of the pool of high profile projects that are well-known to CBS/P, for them to target some while giving a free-pass to others, all the while holding out official guidelines that are supposed to apply to all. If all things were equal (no crowdfunding or other shenanigans to muddy the waters), what would be fair would be an all or nothing policy, not for CBS/P to quietly play favorites.
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I really don't think that there's anything unfair about favoring those who try to play by the rules over those who publicly, loudly and obnoxiously flaunt them. :shrug:

ETA: apologies for the double post.
 
Christ. They're actually going to Kickstart a documentary about this entire debacle? Are they out of their gorram minds? Oh, wait, yes they are.

Man, Peters really is Garth of Izar.
 
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