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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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muCephi said:
It would not surprise me. But he has to keep his nose clean. He couldn't keep his nose clean wrt/ the unstated guidelines, quite the opposite.

So I think there is a good chance there is a fan deal breaker somewhere in his project. Something bad enough for most fans say they can't be associated with it. Perhaps something to do with the money, since that has been so poorly accounted for and so manipulated.

Its just speculation, but everything so far has been a manipulation to see how far over the bounds everyone could be pushed, so why not the finances too?

And who is to say that any such info would come from a locked up discovery process? If it exists it could come from elsewhere not bound by that schedule.
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It boils down to the money for this poor old dumb donor. I sent them chump change, but I still haven't seen my perks that were promised 18 months ago. I certainly haven't seen a movie that was due this summer (as I recall). What I really really really want is an accounting for all the cash they have raised. Whose hands did it end up in or...is it slowly accruing points siting in some swiss bank somewhere. !.3 million dollars isn't chump change.

I feel pretty dumb for giving them a dime...I cannot imagine how dumb people who have them even more cash then me feel.
 
JD said:
I think this goes back to a point I made in an earlier post, CBS/P's PR case is really being hurt by the fact that nobody is speaking out against Axanar in the mainstream media.
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Once some groups start speaking positively about doing anthologies, and this gets thru to fans heads, I think criticism may lessen among fans who have not written themselves an IP Golden Ticket.

That and of course as mentioned, where's our fan money. Let an AG start to investigate atop the lawsuit, you'll see press not originating from Axanar's talking points.
 
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JD said:
nobody is speaking out against Axanar in the mainstream media.
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The party line from mainstream media is that they're still expecting the lawsuit to "go away" ala JJ and the longer it drones on, the more these articles portray CBS/P as bullies.

That may be out of step with the sentiment in this thread, but that's how it's being spun. That being the case, at this point I can't discount the idea that Alec will still pull out of this with minimal scratches. It could be that despite the counter-suit et. al. that CBS/P feels the best way to get this over with is to let him off easy.
 
You know, an interesting thing about the 30 minutes is that it is commercial free.

A commercial show now faces almost 15 mins of ads per hour. So an "hour" show is 45 minutes, and take off another 5 for bumpers and intro/credits and recover-after-break scene restarts, its only 40 mins or so.
 
mos6507 said:
The party line from mainstream media is that they're still expecting the lawsuit to "go away" ala JJ and the longer it drones on, the more these articles portray CBS/P as bullies.
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Its speculation, but if the directors were to recant enough to indicate that they were mistaken about the severity of the Axanar situation, perhaps this dynamic would reframe. Even more so if a few of the fan film companies were to reenvision within the commercial free 30 mins and speak favorably.

There seem like a variety of things that could happen that could erode the Axanar righteous grounds argument, that they become nothing special, then something deserving of some studio action.
 
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muCephi said:
Its speculation, but if the directors were to recant enough to indicate that they were mistaken about the severity of the Axanar situation, perhaps this dynamic would reframe. Even more so if a few of the fan film companies were to reenvision within the commercial free 30 mins and speak favorably.
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and we just got out first post-guideline fan film.
 
JD said:
I think this goes back to a point I made in an earlier post, CBS/P's PR case is really being hurt by the fact that nobody is speaking out against Axanar in the mainstream media. Pretty much everything is ending up coming from the Axanar side since RMB and Alec Peters seem to be physically incapable of keeping their damn mouths shut, while I haven't seen a single person speak out against Axanar outside of Trek media like The G&T show. I honestly don't think I've ever seen people who were being sued talk so much about what they were being sued about while the lawsuit was still ongoing.
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I simply cannot agree more with what you are saying and I don't have any connections or resources with 'anyone' in that media to get any of them to look deeper into this. Everything, all the facts, everything IS being documented with fully supported research. It is just not getting to that outside media that actually has been writing about this. Josh Rottenberg (LA Times), Eriq Gardner (The Hollywood Reporter), Adam B. Vary (BuzzFeed), Kyle Hadyniak (TrekNews), Dave McNary (Variety), etc., and whomever it was that interviewed Mr. Bawden. Do not 'any' of us know these people or have connections with 'someone' at these outlets? To try and interest them in just looking at AxaMonitor, or what Jespah has been collecting? Even reading 1701? I mean, it's all there; documented, researched. Just getting some of them to look at it. Or even getting anybody even interested in interviewing Christian Gossett, for mercy's say? This man has 'lived' this whole thing. The rest of this story, un-spun, researched fully, documented, is AVAILABLE. Isn't there ANYONE in the media outside of the small world of fandom who can be approached to just 'look' at the documentation? Somebody? Anybody? Anyone in Europe? Japan? Great Britain? Any news media outside of trek fandom. Anywhere.
 
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But it is still Truth. Is there no way to get any of them to just 'look' at the documentation or interview Mr. Gossett? I just can not believe that somebody, some reporter, some journalist out there can not be found who must still find beauty in truth.
 
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ThankYouGeneR said:
Isn't there ANYONE in the media outside of the small world of fandom who can be approached to just 'look' at the documentation?
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They might say they haven't seen any "evidence" of any legal wrongdoing other than copyright issues.

This is why I look to the money. If someone could start getting interested in this from the POV of discrepancies in the money, if they exist, then it might get coverage. How about the most transparent fan film ever does a semi-annual report, prepared by an audit company, to satisfy inquiries about proper sheparding of the donations and proper business management (taxes, etc.) for the donor store and other income methods?

Or better yet, after they prepare this info for discovery, be transparent and publish it too?
 
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muCephi said:
They might say they haven't seen any "evidence" of any legal wrongdoing other than copyright issues.

This is why I look to the money. If someone could start getting interested in this from the POV of discrepancies in the money, if they exist, then it might get coverage. How about the most transparent fan film ever does a semi-annual report, prepared by an audit company, to satisfy inquiries about proper sheparding of the donations and proper business management (taxes, etc.) for the donor store and other income methods?
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Okay, yes. Doesn't any of us, we have members around the world on this board, doesn't any of us have connections with anyone in a media outlet outside of fandom where they live in the world that can be approached to look into it from that angle?
 
"There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What l see. And, there's the puppet theater. . . the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public."
-Mr Universe
 
dmac said:
"There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What l see. And, there's the puppet theater. . . the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public."
-Mr Universe
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see... that didn't require an hour to open the door to art..

I am still a bit unclear about the guidelines and character creation. Can a new character survive one installment in any way at all?
 
muCephi said:
see... that didn't require an hour to open the door to art..

I am still a bit unclear about the guidelines and character creation. Can a new character survive one installment in any way at all?
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I believe you can, except my feeling are like guidelines, subject to change
 
muCephi said:
I am still a bit unclear about the guidelines and character creation. Can a new character survive one installment in any way at all?
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The way I choose to interpret it is that a single story cannot become a series or a number of episodes. You can't have 12 episodes to tell your tale. It does not address characters returning.
 
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