I honestly think and i am NOT a axa fan far from it they do not know what to do, they have a lawyer yes but if they advise and dont take any notice of them then you can be shocked their PR has said he advises them but isnt listen sooooo
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I honestly think and i am NOT a axa fan far from it they do not know what to do, they have a lawyer yes but if they advise and dont take any notice of them then you can be shocked their PR has said he advises them but isnt listen sooooo
Somehow, it's escaped them that the internet is forever. They've been hoisted on their own Picard -er petard
There's only one flaw in your plan. Why would Moonves' wife necessarily be able to lure him into a cellar?
Look, these guys basically won the lottery. They neither expected nor probably even hoped for the over $1 million they brought in. Then, like a lot of lottery winners not prepared for the wealth, they frittered it away, probably before they even knew what they were really doing.
I've also wondered in the back of my mind if production was never pushed because Peters himself was never really satisfied with the script, especially when the means unexpectedly came to him to have production values for the movie that would far exceed the quality it (the story) deserved. I mean, when the least professional part is the script -- . I'd go to a garage to hear The Beatles play. I wouldn't really care about the venue at all. It would be about the music. But I wouldn't go to Royal Albert Hall or Red Rocks just to listen to a high school rock band. That band won't sound any better for the prime location. The context may even make them seem worse.
What about perjury?
Maybe he is. His shock defence is that he can't be sued for copyright violation because... he is Garth.
I go on holiday for a week and you guys add 30 pages to the thread. I've learned:
1. CBS/P achieved a 48 page mic drop of epic proportions (which also reads suspiciously like this thread, even some of the same screenshots. I think we should sue)
2. AP intended to come to the UK, to a convention I'm going to, but may not actually show up as he thinks it's in a different city.
3. I think the memes in this thread now exceed the completed part of Axanar.
Dude I paid postage with my donation I bet if you check you did too.
Lets put it this way... Some of the violations are based on things i noticed. Now, what are the chances I may have accidentally emailed CBS them
I had the idea it was going to suddenly veer into The Cask of Amontillado.
PS @CaptGrumpy - because the statement about the script on FB/Twitter isn't sworn, it's not a perfect contradiction to the sworn pleadings. The attorney is probably covered if she reasonably relied on her client's say-so about what the facts of the matter are/were.
Right now, all we have is a contradiction but it's not considered proof that the motion was incorrect/misleading (either deliberately, or not) because the tweet/post is not authenticated and we really have no idea what is under the 'cover' image shown in that post.
The defense can move past this with the answer, I believe (Federal civil procedure allows for an amendment to mistaken pleadings but a Motion to Dismiss, or any other type of motion, is technically not a pleading). Rule 11 allows for attorney sanctions on pleadings, BTW.
FYI (not necessarily what is going on here; I caution you, I am only providing this because it's of interest herein), these are an attorney's possibly obligations if a client in Federal Court is playing fast and loose under oath.
Excuse me, Chief Justice Jespah, but seeing as you hold the highest legal office in the US, should you comment?
I think when they realized how easily the could raise money creep scope took over and I think when Prelude won it's first award they got hooked on winning, and at their first convention when people actually came to see and hear the talk they got hooked and that is what happened to Axanar pure and simple it got put on the back to the back of the short bus while egos got moved to the front.Fixed it for ya.
What I'm about to say is just a variation on the thoughts of a lot of others, but I think more than anything else, their lack of experience caused the runaway train to nowhere. Someone should've looked at all that money they brought in and say, "OK, let's do it!" Seems no one was "in charge enough" to know exactly how or when to do that.
I'm dating myself, but it reminds me of Eldon on "Murphy Brown". Never knowing when to stop. Always a work in progress.
He did spend an awful lot of time developing tie-in products for a production that wasn't moving. A book series? How unnecessary was that?
I'm going to attempt to be generous here - I'd say it was a money spending scheme. I don't really think they set out to make personal gain by lying to Trek fans via a crowd funding site. I think the money came in, way faster and in way greater sums than they ever imagined, and that went to their heads and their semi-sensible initial project just blew up out of all proportion. Eventually, it was so off mission that it was borderline fraudulent and then the legal troubles came along. The web of doublespeak, self delusion and outright lies got out of control and here we are, with a very bleak future for all involved. It's a real shame. I feel sorry for all the donors and those who were in it with genuine creative zeal and love for Star Trek.
I agree I do NOT! think they set out for this but hey its where its gone and i have to admit part of me isnt shocked
These are things that bother me:
- Donor store: A place for people who have donated to buy merch -- whoops, make further donations and receive perks.
- Tie-in merchandise: Ship models and a (proposed) series of novels.
- Travel to cons: Unnecessary trips to promote the project and collect more money.
- "Cult"ivating a social media army: Rousing supporters to troll and shout down opposition.
- Banning members and deleting posts from social media: Controlling the conversation by ostracizing opposition and labeling naysayers as haters.
- Defensive posture: Posting on social media with an attitude that suggests that there is something to hide.
Oh and as they keep wanting to point to other fan films and say "they do this" or "they do that", I'm going to be explicitly clear on where the line was I think they crossed that STNV, Exeter, STC, Horizon, etc didn't cross. Those productions never expressed an intention to use infringing material to set up a financially self-sustaining studio with the express purpose to make more, professional quality, infringing material. When they're looking backwards in years to come for the point it all went wrong, personally, I think it was there.
You hit the nail on the head, @cultcross
Those other productions likewise did not take donor money and use it to pay themselves a salary, either.
Those other productions likewise did not take donor money and use it to pay themselves a salary, either.
Dont forget the unlicensed Minions T's That i found out today arent legit
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