For anyone like me catching up, this is a very good summary and analysis:
http://blueserif.com/doku/doku.php?id=summary_of_the_lawsuit
http://blueserif.com/doku/doku.php?id=summary_of_the_lawsuit
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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when these sorts of comments hit the umpty million large distribution lists of the Trek stars, AP will have his moment of fame for real.
Welcome Benjamin. That site is written by a participant in this group. You can also check out detailed legal analysis at thegandtshow.com, also written by a participant of this group. 1701news also has good articles, also written by a member of this group. You found the place
I do not know what that is, but I will assume it is a "good" thing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Speed_and_Time
To add some Star Trek content
, it has a short cameo by Angelique Pettyjohn.
I'd be happy that my $75 pledge was fulfilled (assuming they didn't cry 'perk fulfillment poverty' again, and claim they couldn't afford postage.)
Also I'm NOT either Anti Star Trek Fan film, or 'Anti-Axanar'. I AM against wholesale fraud; paying of salaries (aside from what Hollywood unions may require) as if it were a day job; and the constant 'need' for more funds while effectively producing nothing for over a year (prior to the lawsuit of course) - and spending pledge money for travel expenses/hotels/fees for various conventions and independent film festivals; or to outfit offices INSTEAD of putting all monies raised towards putting something on screen - as it were. Again, as a pledger; that's some of my problems with the may Mr. Peters has overseen the Axanar project.
Isn't that the best (worst?) part in all of this? They used someone else's IP to raise over a million dollars (A MILLION DOLLARS!), but they couldn't afford postage to send their doners even the most basic element of their promises.
Also, am i correct in remembering them complain that putting patches into 10,000 envelopes was really really hard? As though taking a million dollars was easy, but putting some effort into fulfilling their obligations was too much, and then they just didn't.
I don't think there is much enthusiasm these days for envelope stuffing. There are trips to London to make.Isn't that the best (worst?) part in all of this? They used someone else's IP to raise over a million dollars (A MILLION DOLLARS!), but they couldn't afford postage to send their doners even the most basic element of their promises.
Also, am i correct in remembering them complain that putting patches into 10,000 envelopes was really really hard? As though taking a million dollars was easy, but putting some effort into fulfilling their obligations was too much, and then they just didn't.
That's it exactly - far from being anti Axanar, most people posting in this thread are at least mildly pro fanfilms and many would have been looking forward to seeing Axanar.
Indeed, one of the main gripes with what has happened is the possible effect this will all have on other less contentious fan productions.
And...we're over 600 pages !
If the physical donor perks were such a nightmare, maybe they should have just made it all digital stuff until they hit a huge amount of money, which very few people will donate. That seems to be what a lot of these kind of crowdfunded productions do.
They didn't get a professional screenwriter? With all of the bragging about it being a professional production, you'd think they would have been able to find a professional screenwriter willing to work with them, at least before the lawsuit. What did David Gerrold do? I thought he was their writer.That doesn't change the fact that Alec Peters and Bill Hunt, the two people writing the new script have no prior credits to their name, or any screenwriting experience. That's not to say the revised Axanar script would therefore HAVE to be terrible, but the likelihood that it was just going to be more of the same fan film tropes and schlock is still pretty high, especially if Peters was having final say on the draft revisions.
I'll be there Saturday myself. I'm bringing a printout of the Lawsuit and Amended Complaint with me, in case I see Alec. I'm going ask him to sign it for me.
You would think they'd have brought on a professional screenwriter, but they didn't.
Arguably the most important role in the production of a fan film, and they went with a completely inexperienced n00b and a DVD sales reporter.
But, let's be fair. apparently, Alec attended Robert McKee's 4-day screenwriting seminar a few years ago, and walked out a professional writer afterward. At least, that's the story he liked to tell anyone who would listen at the time:
Also:
"Before writing the script, I took a Robert McKee seminar (the godfather of screenplay writing) with Doc John, read McKee's book and the script is now almost done. Dave Galanter and I have been working it for 6 months now."
Because you know, writing isn't a skill that requires hard work or years of practice. It's a nifty quirk you can pick up in a few hours!
Allegedly, Gerrold was a "creative consultant" on the film, but given Peters embarrassingly bad understanding of what titles of jobs on films actually mean, who the hell knows what that entailed with regard to Axanar. Either way, Peters was very, very proud of Gerrold's involvement, likewise broadcasting it to anyone who would listen.
In reality, the only person involved who had any professional screenwriting credits to their name was Burnett, and he wasn't even writing the thing!
Piss-poor decision making, all around.
Arguably the most important role in the production of a fan film, and they went with a completely inexperienced n00b and a DVD sales reporter.
But, let's be fair. apparently, Alec attended Robert McKee's 4-day screenwriting seminar a few years ago, and walked out a professional writer afterward. At least, that's the story he liked to tell anyone who would listen at the time:
Also:
"Before writing the script, I took a Robert McKee seminar (the godfather of screenplay writing) with Doc John, read McKee's book and the script is now almost done. Dave Galanter and I have been working it for 6 months now."
Because you know, writing isn't a skill that requires hard work or years of practice. It's a nifty quirk you can pick up in a few hours!
Allegedly, Gerrold was a "creative consultant" on the film, but given Peters embarrassingly bad understanding of what titles of jobs on films actually mean, who the hell knows what that entailed with regard to Axanar. Either way, Peters was very, very proud of Gerrold's involvement, likewise broadcasting it to anyone who would listen.
In reality, the only person involved who had any professional screenwriting credits to their name was Burnett, and he wasn't even writing the thing!
Piss-poor decision making, all around.
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Can I expect that we'll see in the news that you've been punched in the nose, and a further notification of his arrest?I'll be there Saturday myself. I'm bringing a printout of the Lawsuit and Amended Complaint with me, in case I see Alec. I'm going ask him to sign it for me.
Will Donald Trump pay his legal fees then?
You would think! But apparently, Alec attended Robert McKee's 2-day screenwriting seminar a few years ago, and walked out a professional writer afterward. At least, that's the story he liked to tell anyone who would listen at the time:
Also:
"Before writing the script, I took a Robert McKee seminar (the godfather of screenplay writing) with Doc John, read McKee's book and the script is now almost done. Dave Galanter and I have been working it for 6 months now."
Because you know, writing isn't a skill that requires hard work, years of practice. It's a nifty quirk you can pick up in a few hours!
Didn't Dave Galanter basically say Peters was lying about his involvement? And who is Doc John?
Can I expect that we'll see in the news that you've been punched in the nose, and a further notification of his arrest?
Will Donald Trump pay his legal fees then?
As he's being dragged away, kicking and screaming "Hater! Hater!...."
Galanter has gone on record saying his involvement was minimal, just offering occasional comments and suggestions. It would seem Peters has been trying to inflate the kind of work people have done on the film for some reason.
Doc John is also known as "John Kelley," who played Doctor McCoy on New Voyages for several years before handing the role over to Jeff Bond.
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