The grift continues... also mo' patches!
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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The grift continues... also mo' patches!
OMG. Does this stuff resemble the world of TOS??? It couldn't resemble the DISCO universe.
Resemble, no. Shamelessly ape to inspire nostalgia boners in desperate TOS fans while still making it merchandizable, yes.
Indeed, yes. It hitches its wagon to TOS-only belief system while delivering none of its promises. Second verse, same as the first. A little bit louder and a whole lot worse.
Personally I can't stand Star Trek: Voyager; but Alec Peters has to be envious as these guys (same group that did the DS9
documentary) got 318% of their goal (asked tor $150,000 - got $477,338 with 4684 Backers all in the first 24 hours
https://www.trektoday.com/content/2021/03/the-voyager-documentary-campaign-launches-today/
^^^
This is a link to the Trek Today article. I didn't link directly to the Indiegogo page as I believe that type of thing is not allowed here; but you can get there and see for yourself the above is accurate at this time I posted this.
But yeah, I guess Alec's project isn't the only "True Trek" fan project around (even if I personally don't think highly of Star Trek Voyager and would never back such a project.)
documentary) got 318% of their goal (asked tor $150,000 - got $477,338 with 4684 Backers all in the first 24 hours
https://www.trektoday.com/content/2021/03/the-voyager-documentary-campaign-launches-today/
^^^
This is a link to the Trek Today article. I didn't link directly to the Indiegogo page as I believe that type of thing is not allowed here; but you can get there and see for yourself the above is accurate at this time I posted this.
But yeah, I guess Alec's project isn't the only "True Trek" fan project around (even if I personally don't think highly of Star Trek Voyager and would never back such a project.)
I see this ending well...
Sounds good to me. My money (and body) is ready, CBS, just in case. Sounds preferable to the unrecognizable generic overblown yet underdeveloped money pits they've offered me so far!
So, Star Trek should remain in its past?
I don't understand any more. Star Trek was about the future and human struggle and capability. And yet it comes down to colored jerseys and simple colorful sets...the future, everyone.
Nope. But it should be inspired by and reminiscent of it (both thematically and asthetically) if it is supposedly set in the same time. I'm totally for updating it to modern standards but thanks for playing!
How so then? Because it strikes me that the visuals are the most important thing from what I read. That was Axanar's strongest argument (at the time) that it visually called back to TOS in stylings as though this were a documentary that needed strict adherence.
Have you seen Madkoifish' version of the Discovery? I think that's a great start to a modern looking yet pre-TOS version of the Planet of the Titans concept art ship; I'd even say it's a bit too faithful for my tastes but I still like it. As for interiors, a gray base to the walls (even if it's glossy and a different shade of gray), bright lighting, and similar primary color accents would be a good start and then you add in the modern holographic controls and communication system, gakh buffet, viewscreen panoramic space window, etc. I don't want static maps/pictures on screens and jelly belly controls and frankly most of the people I've talked with who also dislike the show don't either. It's just easy to pretend that there is no middle ground between "ZOMG! you can't handle any change!" and "Burn it all down!" when there's plenty of wiggle room. I suspect that the upcoming Pike show will (hopefully) be a lot better in that regard as well as thematically (the other half of my problem with nuTrek).
If they wanted to completely tonally and visually change almost anything, they should have started in the 29th and a half century (or whenever they went to) in the first place.
Yes, and brownies made with ExLax would be tastier than castor oil, but willingly consuming too much of either will elicit similar results. Do not let TOS trappings fool you into thinking LFIM's crap is more "real" than CBS's crap. Both concepts have the exact same flaws.
Have I mentioned Alec? I don't believe I did. It's ok to say his name instead of namecalling. He's not a nigh omnipotent Harry Potter wizard villain. Also, fun fact... you can be opposed to the actions of the Axanar team and still dislike modern Trek!
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I think there is middle ground. I rarely see it articulated so I appreciate your write up. I disagree strongly but that's OK too.
And, no, I have seen the Discovery you were discussing. Nor do I find it necessary. Discovery is an ugly ship that is best left behind but won't happen, sadly.
I prefer nuTrek to most of TNG-onward so that is my take on it. And, largely, when I see comments against nuTrek they are not articulate like you. It's just "It doesn't look right!" and then fan films complete the circuit by doing the 60s style interiors and they get mad praise for how they look. So, it's easy to think it is only about the looks.
But, I follow your point. Thank you. Also, I'll pass on the gakh buffet.
And I am. I just didn't realize you were too. I assumed your response meant you were all in with Axanar. Apologies for my mistake.
And it would be better if he were a mystical villain, because then saying his real name would give us power over him and we could end all his bullshit with a single command.
Thanks. And, fwiw, this is (I believe still WIP at the time in 2017) his Wedge Trek design. Again, it's a bit too faithful to TOS for my tastes but I still really like a modern looking but authentic to both the Titans design and TOS asthetics version.
https://madkoifish.wordpress.com/2017/04/08/wedge-trek/
I too praise those fan films for what they did in that they were as close to 100% faithful to TOS as that was what they intended. Neither Continues nor New Voyages (at least from the interviews that I watched) intended for their fan films to be a modern version of TOS but specifically a loving homage to it. They weren't trying to change it and they succeeded in that goal (both asthetically and thematically) in my opinion. Would I want that in an actual new show from the IP holder? Absolutely not. Same thing with Prelude to Axanar. I liked the war setting/theme in Axanar (in part because my introduction to tabletop gaming was specifically with the FASA game from which it was derived) for a fan film as well (even if it was to be a feature length one in the original "plan")... but I'd not want that in a 2016 era ongoing show like how Discovery started (DS9 is my favorite but didn't start on that war footing). I also have different expectations depending on the budget as well. As for Discovery's sets, I think simply painting them base grey and putting in TOS accents along with proper lighting (seriously, that was more like lighting from Das Boot while they're being depth charged than trek!) that wasn't a Space OSHA hazard would probably have been enough for me personally in that regard... but they didn't bother doing anything on that bridge other than a few beeps and boops from what I remember in Season 1. At least in season 2 (didn't watch the third) they brightened it up significantly but the color palette still bothers me. YMMV.
TL;DR: It depends. What's great for a fan film doesn't necessarily translate over to a proper film or series (whether reboot or sequel).
No worries. I've gotten that repeatedly in this thread (and previously in the last roughly 800 pages of the former thread) and likely will again. FWIW, I really like Prelude as a fan film and was excited to see more... and then I saw how the sausage was made around the time the lawsuit was filed and was soured on it. Fortunately, I didn't find out about the project (or modern Trek fan films in general) until after the primary fundraising happened otherwise I might have been duped into pledging for an Ares ship and miniature. Probably not the coffee, trek chevron roll on deodorant, or whatever else they had though...
My college roommate Freshman year did that to me and a couple of others in our dorm. I was the only one that got stopped up for three days. It was weird...
To that design of the Discovery I will just not for me. I will leave it at that.Thanks. And, fwiw, this is (I believe still WIP at the time in 2017) his Wedge Trek design. Again, it's a bit too faithful to TOS for my tastes but I still really like a modern looking but authentic to both the Titans design and TOS asthetics version.
https://madkoifish.wordpress.com/2017/04/08/wedge-trek/
I too praise those fan films for what they did in that they were as close to 100% faithful to TOS as that was what they intended. Neither Continues nor New Voyages (at least from the interviews that I watched) intended for their fan films to be a modern version of TOS but specifically a loving homage to it. They weren't trying to change it and they succeeded in that goal (both asthetically and thematically) in my opinion. Would I want that in an actual new show from the IP holder? Absolutely not. Same thing with Prelude to Axanar. I liked the war setting/theme in Axanar (in part because my introduction to tabletop gaming was specifically with the FASA game from which it was derived) for a fan film as well (even if it was to be a feature length one in the original "plan")... but I'd not want that in a 2016 era ongoing show like how Discovery started (DS9 is my favorite but didn't start on that war footing). I also have different expectations depending on the budget as well. As for Discovery's sets, I think simply painting them base grey and putting in TOS accents along with proper lighting (seriously, that was more like lighting from Das Boot while they're being depth charged than trek!) that wasn't a Space OSHA hazard would probably have been enough for me personally in that regard... but they didn't bother doing anything on that bridge other than a few beeps and boops from what I remember in Season 1. At least in season 2 (didn't watch the third) they brightened it up significantly but the color palette still bothers me. YMMV.
TL;DR: It depends. What's great for a fan film doesn't necessarily translate over to a proper film or series (whether reboot or sequel).
I think you might be on to something with the painting. But, honestly the lighting doesn't bother me. Star Trek has always struggled with OHSA hazards so I don't really think in those terms. It simply doesn't register with me. Discovery's bridge simply was too big for what I would reasonably want in a starship bridge. But, as I have stated, Discovery as a starship design is on the lower end of appeal for me.
I think fan films can succeed and you are right that New Voyages and Continues did well enough for what they were. Axanar had a baseline appeal but I am glad it didn't go forward. Largely because it set itself in opposition to CBS rather than what New Voyages or Continues did.
I don't really mind war stories. In fact, I prefer them in science fiction to a certain degree. Ultimately, though, the design language doesn't rate highly to me in terms of how a production is judged. I prefer characters over lighting in terms of importance. Mileage definitely varies.
I agree that it's too big (hence why I joked about including an all you can eat gakh buffet somewhere in it) but I was trying to limit my immediate critique to simple and inexpensive ways they could have tried to be inspired by/reminiscent of TOS. Cranking up the lights and a set repaint seemed to fit the bill off the top of my head.
So do I. My favorite episode of TNG is Yesterday's Enterprise and my favorite series overall is DS9 which obviously had a multiseason war arc... but neither started out that way. With TNG, it was the exception and with DS9 they slowly built up to it (although I don't know if the whole Dominion war thing was planned ala B5 from the beginning). I also prefer characters over lighting but we started off with asthetics so I went with that. I can't say that I know much about any of the bridge crew after two seasons of DISCO other than Burnham, Saru, and Tilly. I don't even know their names and I can't be the only one because I usually see them referred to online by their combination of genetic traits not because people are trying to be insulting but rather that's pretty much all they know about them. I can't say that's great character development and the reviews I've seen of season 3 (again, I haven't watched it ) criticize the show for that specifically even if they're generally overall positive. Saru is my favorite character in part because they expanded on him (in addition to the actor being good, the design/makeup being interesting, etc).