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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

Do you enjoy pie?

  • Yes, sweet, please

    Votes: 79 40.9%
  • Yes, savory, please

    Votes: 42 21.8%
  • Yes, any kind

    Votes: 80 41.5%
  • No, I'm a heathen

    Votes: 37 19.2%

  • Total voters
    193
Watching the antics of LFIM feels like I'm watching the descent into madnes of Garth.

Maybe he was better suited for the role then I thought..
 
Yes, WAY off topic, boring and irksome to people who are here for the TOPIC OF THE THREAD! I asked before to take this discussion which has nothing to do with Axanar; someplace else.
 
1. The pilot premiered on CBS for... *checks* ... free.
And anyone who missed it has to see it on All Access. Not that it matters, because pilots are not always as good as their respective shows, and people can always change their minds about seeing the show later based on word of mouth. Besides, if someone called the show crap based on the first episode, supporters of the show would just turn around and say "But you only saw one episode!". (Hell, some people have a three-episode rule for deciding if a series is bad or not.)
2. You could always get CBS All Access for a month and try it, binge the entire first season for 10 bucks.
That's probably what I will do. (But I'll probably wait until I can binge all of season two in one go.)
Don’t like it, you don’t have to keep paying.
People don't have to stop paying either. They can hate a show passionately, and if they so desire, keep watching it at the same time.
Honestly, I don’t see the problem, except someone wanting free content.
This is a (possibly accidental) straw man. My point was never that people should get Discovery for free. (In fact, the word "free" doesn't appear in my previous two posts.) My point was that paying customers are entitled to their feelings and opinions. Their choice to pay for content or not has no bearing on their free speech rights, and they are not obliged to stop watching something even if they hate it. You have no right to tell people not to comment on a show they've seen under any circumstances.
Low ratings might make changes?
Ratings aren't really a form of communications. They're a metric. They don't tell people anything about WHY the show is poorly rated. That feedback comes from actual reviews, criticism, and market research.
Well, thankfully, you can have one month free :techman:
Actually, it's one WEEK now, and you can most certainly have difficulty watching an entire season of a show in that time span.
But, that's not what that's trying to do. It's noting that if people don't want to pay for it 1) there are legitimate ways to watch it without (as Professor Zoom noted) and 2) it is hard for me to take criticism of a platform seriously or a show if individuals have not seen it.
Point #1 is debatable, as stated above. It's also irrelevant, because people are not obliged to like something, or remain silent about it, just because they obtained it legally for free. Even if they outright pirated the show, it would be the piracy that would be wrong, not their having an opinion on the show.

As for point #2, though I tend to agree with you on the matter, it's a non sequitur that ignores the context of my posts. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to uninformed opinions about TV shows they've never seen.
It's the free content part that makes people upset.
Yes, the "free content part" that you and Zoom brought up all on your own. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to free content. People are entitled to express whether said content was worth the money they spent after the fact.
 
That's actually not a deviation from what has been the narrative since the rather thin, so-called independent "financial report" was released two years ago. Of note is that — for once — he claims he put in less of his own money ($100,000) than he generally claims (about $50,000 more than that). If you've never read our kids' book version of the Axanar financials, check it out, "Think of the Children."

I'm having flashbacks to the recent Fyre Fest documentaries...
 
Yes, WAY off topic, boring and irksome to people who are here for the TOPIC OF THE THREAD! I asked before to take this discussion which has nothing to do with Axanar; someplace else.
To be fair, this *is* TNZ and it's kind of quiet on the Axanar front.
On that note, I've been taking the opportunity to post slightly sarcastic comments on the new Patreon posts; for example; asking when AP will make a Discovery fan-film.
 
And anyone who missed it has to see it on All Access. Not that it matters, because pilots are not always as good as their respective shows, and people can always change their minds about seeing the show later based on word of mouth. Besides, if someone called the show crap based on the first episode, supporters of the show would just turn around and say "But you only saw one episode!". (Hell, some people have a three-episode rule for deciding if a series is bad or not.)

That's probably what I will do. (But I'll probably wait until I can binge all of season two in one go.)

People don't have to stop paying either. They can hate a show passionately, and if they so desire, keep watching it at the same time.

This is a (possibly accidental) straw man. My point was never that people should get Discovery for free. (In fact, the word "free" doesn't appear in my previous two posts.) My point was that paying customers are entitled to their feelings and opinions. Their choice to pay for content or not has no bearing on their free speech rights, and they are not obliged to stop watching something even if they hate it. You have no right to tell people not to comment on a show they've seen under any circumstances.

Ratings aren't really a form of communications. They're a metric. They don't tell people anything about WHY the show is poorly rated. That feedback comes from actual reviews, criticism, and market research.

Actually, it's one WEEK now, and you can most certainly have difficulty watching an entire season of a show in that time span.

Point #1 is debatable, as stated above. It's also irrelevant, because people are not obliged to like something, or remain silent about it, just because they obtained it legally for free. Even if they outright pirated the show, it would be the piracy that would be wrong, not their having an opinion on the show.

As for point #2, though I tend to agree with you on the matter, it's a non sequitur that ignores the context of my posts. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to uninformed opinions about TV shows they've never seen.

Yes, the "free content part" that you and Zoom brought up all on your own. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to free content. People are entitled to express whether said content was worth the money they spent after the fact.
. . . and yet it continues!!!

Seriously, it's pretty disrespectful to KEEP talking about this. It has NOTHING to to with the topic of this thread and I've asked several times for the few who keep talking about this to quit since it has nothing to do with Axanar.. Quite frankly I'm sick of having to wade through these off-topic posts when I want to see if there is any new Axanar news. TAKE THIS DISCUSSION SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!!!
 
Actually, it's one WEEK now, and you can most certainly have difficulty watching an entire season of a show in that time span.
I can? Haven't yet...:shrug:
As for point #2, though I tend to agree with you on the matter, it's a non sequitur that ignores the context of my posts. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to uninformed opinions about TV shows they've never seen.
It was a rather broad observation on the whole matter, and not just commenting on your post as a whole. I never stated or implied that you stated or implied such.
Yes, the "free content part" that you and Zoom brought up all on your own. I never stated or implied that people are entitled to free content. People are entitled to express whether said content was worth the money they spent after the fact.
Certainly. Nothing was stated or implied on my part that you stated such. Again, this is an assumption that my comments are limited to that of your post.

And back to Axanar...
 
I can? Haven't yet...:shrug:
Plenty of people have busy schedules. Don't pretend you don't understand that, or for that matter the fact that "you" can be plural.
It was a rather broad observation on the whole matter, and not just commenting on your post as a whole. I never stated or implied that you stated or implied such.
The implication is derived from the format. Text is quoted, then a response follows underneath, implying the text is in response to the quotation. It should not surprise you that ignoring this practice causes confusion.
Certainly. Nothing was stated or implied on my part that you stated such. Again, this is an assumption that my comments are limited to that of your post.
There's nothing in your comment to lead anyone to conclude otherwise, as they are formatted as replies to either my text or Professor Zoom's, who's quoted comments are in turn formatted as replies to my text. You made no effort to establish a different context.
And back to Axanar...
I'm not the one who chose to deviate from the topic in the first place. I'm simply responding to what I feel are mischaracterization and illogical arguments directed at my posts. If my replies have deviated from the topic, it's because the underlying arguments I'm replying to are off topic.
Missed by some.
A message dedicated exclusively to griping about off topic messages is equally off topic.

It would be the funniest thing ever if CBS did a Short Treks about Axanar
Well, I'm pretty sure Alec can't legally file for copyright on an unlicensed derivative work, so they could certainly do that. Hell, they could even cast an AP look-alike as the captain, just to rub it in.
 
Plenty of people have busy schedules. Don't pretend you don't understand that, or for that matter the fact that "you" can be plural.

The implication is derived from the format. Text is quoted, then a response follows underneath, implying the text is in response to the quotation. It should not surprise you that ignoring this practice causes confusion.

There's nothing in your comment to lead anyone to conclude otherwise, as they are formatted as replies to either my text or Professor Zoom's, who's quoted comments are in turn formatted as replies to my text. You made no effort to establish a different context.

I'm not the one who chose to deviate from the topic in the first place. I'm simply responding to what I feel are mischaracterization and illogical arguments directed at my posts. If my replies have deviated from the topic, it's because the underlying arguments I'm replying to are off topic.

A message dedicated exclusively to griping about off topic messages is equally off topic.


Well, I'm pretty sure Alec can't legally file for copyright on an unlicensed derivative work, so they could certainly do that. Hell, they could even cast an AP look-alike as the captain, just to rub it in.
Then how about taking it to PM instead of derailing this thread?

There are those among us who would prefer to discuss our pie without distraction.

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Oh, and this: WHERE'S THE MOVIE, ALEC? :razz:
 
To be fair, this *is* TNZ ....
No, it's not.

And I think I've allowed this long enough.

We all know there are tons of threads about Disco, CBSAA, etc.

Fair enough that things are semi-quiet on the Axa-front. But there's no need to take a deep dive into this topic -- yet again -- and flog the deceased equine some more.

And truth is, there are some things going on, at least peripherally, re the podcast? Livestream? Helfino. Yes, it's peripheral. But then again, everything is, seeing as the movie still isn't being made (yeah, AP, we've been noticing the lack of movie making going on).

Anyone continuing to go off on the tangent of paying for CBSAA/Disco sucks/whatevz will be forced to listen to Shatner's greatest hits. On laserdisk.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
 
To be fair, this *is* TNZ and it's kind of quiet on the Axanar front.
On that note, I've been taking the opportunity to post slightly sarcastic comments on the new Patreon posts; for example; asking when AP will make a Discovery fan-film.
^^^
Um, you may want to recheck that - this threat ain't in TNZ.
 
You might also find this interesting. Seems LFIM decided to set up a Patreon account at a time when Patreon's working on new ways to take more money from creators. :D

Patreon CEO Says the company's generous business model is not sustainable as it sees rapid growth

The gist is, Patreon's paid out so much money in the course of its existence that the percentage of contributions that goes to the company just isn't enough, so they're going to come up with incentives and exclusives that they're just sure their creators will just be dying to fork over more money for.

Hee, hee, hee...
 
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