CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

[JD]

Satire isn't, that's a surprise... I would of thought it was same as Parody... Oh well

Satire tends to be more of a commentary on something, while parody is making jokes about it.

 

[Sgt_G]

From this site: https://copyrightalliance.org/ca_faq_post/parody-considered-fair-use-satire-isnt/

Why is parody considered fair use but satire isn’t?

Section 107 of the Copyright Act is the section that provides for fair use, a doctrine which allows certain actions which otherwise would amount to copyright infringement. The Section lists several examples of fair use, including uses of copyrighted works “for purposes such as criticism [or] comment.”

Both parody and satire employ humor in commentary and criticism, but the key distinction, and the reason that parodies are more likely to be considered fair use than satires, is the purpose each serves. Satire is defined as “the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.” Compare that to the definition of a parody: “a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule.”

While both parody and satire use humor as a tool to effectuate a message, the purpose of a parody is to comment on or criticize the work that is the subject of the parody. By definition, a parody is a comedic commentary about a work, that requires an imitation of the work. Satire, on the other hand, even when it uses a creative work as the vehicle for the message, offers commentary and criticism about the world, not that specific creative work. Therefore, parodies use copyrighted works for purposes that fair use was designed to protect.

This is why I felt the recent Dr. Seuss / Star Trek ruling was completely wrong. It used Seussian art / style to poke fun not at Seuss itself but at something else (Trek).

 

[trynda1701]

Oh. You're making it up as you go along. Based on no data, no paper, no facts, just your opinions.
Good thing we're not funding you. We'd really be sorry huh

The bold part of that partial quote seemed odd to me. Yes, it could mean fans in general. But it seems weird to use 'we' in his or hers comments, eh?

 

[Woulfe]

Maybe it's the royal WE as in WE are not amused... I tend to use WE as meaning myself & my friends & sometimes my puppets as I gave them all names & separate voices / personalities & so on for my live internet puppet show, I try not to use it in real life however as that would be silly, yes ?

 

[Csalem]

He is not LFIM. He is in fact a Handyman. And he doesn't like trains. Follow the breadcrumbs..........

How can anyone not like trains?!

 

[feek61]

This is the question. I don't care about Alec or his personal dealings. The man took in money with the specific statement of making Axanar.

Where is it?

I was trying to point out his lack of integrity and untrustworthiness not so much his personal dealings (although the two are intermingled). Why would people give this guy money??? I'm not sure if anyone who did their homework would unless they are just completely a fool.

Where is the movie Alec?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

And he doesn't like trains.

How can anyone not like trains?!

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[Krandor]

Has anyone wondered if @Handyman is in fact, Peters? It would certainly explain a lot.

The writing style doesn't match LFIM. Even with ranting he is even a little more coherent then this. There are a few of his surrogates though that do kinda write this incoherently. These days though there is not a real long list of surrogates.

 

[fireproof78]

I was trying to point out his lack of integrity and untrustworthiness not so much his personal dealings (although the two are intermingled). Why would people give this guy money??? I'm not sure if anyone who did their homework would unless they are just completely a fool.

Where is the movie Alec?

I think the lack of a movie is proof enough given the amount of money raised.

 

[MikeH92467]

I think the lack of a movie is proof enough given the amount of money raised.

I agree up to a point, but it's only fair when someone doesn't live up to their end of a bargain to ask them why it happened. Alec's explanations are contradictory, non-sequitur, un-coordinated and if investigated lead to some very disturbing conclusions about what kind of person he is. Anyone can be fooled once by any conman. However, once I looked into his background, I won't get fooled again. (No I never gave him money, but I was hoping he would turn out something really good)

 

[Krandor]

I agree up to a point, but it's only fair when someone doesn't live up to their end of a bargain to ask them why it happened. Alec's explanations are contradictory, non-sequitur, un-coordinated and if investigated lead to some very disturbing conclusions about what kind of person he is. Anyone can be fooled once by any conman. However, once I looked into his background, I won't get fooled again. (No I never gave him money, but I was hoping he would turn out something really good)

Agreed. I didn't give him money either but did like Prelude and was initially upset when Axanar got sued. I remember seeing some people attacking axanar and it initially made no sense because I'm thinking that was a really good for a fan film and I'd like to see what happens next. Then with the lawsuit I joined a facebook group following it since I was interesting in following it and initially hoping Axanar would win. As I read and learned more about the details that opinion changed very quickly because the facts did not look good for axanar at all and it wasn't long until I switched to CBS side of things.

The interesting thing is that if it wasn't for the lawsuit I might be an axanar supporter because I likely would have thought of it as that cool fan film and never looked behind the curtains because I never really was all that into fan films and had no interest in looking any deeper.

 

[fireproof78]

The interesting thing is that if it wasn't for the lawsuit I might be an axanar supporter because I likely would have thought of it as that cool fan film and never looked behind the curtains because I never really was all that into fan films and had no interest in looking any deeper.

I think many people fall in this line of thinking because Axanar is a highly unique project. It looks cool, and explores something that many fans are interested in. And, with so many fan projects out there it's easy to get swept in to the hype and defend it for being seemingly attacked for no reason. But, the facts in this case give me far more pause than most other fan productions I have seen.

 

[Krandor]

and Alec just can't avoid cause drama.

Lane wanted to film part of his fan film at Neutral Zone Studios and got told no and as usual, LFIM just had to go on a tirade and attack people. Is it any wonder he is called LFIM?

 

[KennyB]

As soon as that was posted publicly on fb LFIM deleted the post.....but the internet never forgets.

 

[Admiral2]

and Alec just can't avoid cause drama.

Lane wanted to film part of his fan film at Neutral Zone Studios and got told no and as usual, LFIM just had to go on a tirade and attack people. Is it any wonder he is called LFIM?

The guy whose managed to create a cult of personality around himself based on a promise he never intends to keep talks about people kissing Vic's ass? As he's getting a 24/7 rimjob from Slow Lane?

 

[Krandor]

The guy whose managed to create a cult of personality around himself based on a promise he never intends to keep talks about people kissing Vic's ass? As he's getting a 24/7 rimjob from Slow Lane?

There is a certain amount of self reflection missing...

Along with a lot of a sense of entitlement that he should be able to film on any trek set he wants to at any time

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

I think it's at least possible that the Axanar-Continues feud had at least something to do with NZ Studios refusing to allow Lane or Peters to film on their sets, as they don't seem to be booked at the moment (the only WIP project isn't slated premiere until 'Fall' which is way more time than anyone serious about a 'guidelines compliant' short would need), however I think it's unlikely that Mignogna 'told' NZ Studios to refuse Lane, but rather Lane's proposal conflicted with at least one NZ Studios guidelines:

We ask for the following things from all fans wishing to use our sets for filming:

1. Your pledge (in writing or email) that you will adhere to the CBS/Paramount guidelines for Star Trek fan films
   
2. Your signature on a waiver of liability releasing Neutral Zone Studios from any liability in the event you or any of your personnel are injured in any way while within our facility. All members of your crew will be asked to sign this waiver when they enter the studio
   
3. A list in advance of which sets you intend to film on, what filming equipment you intend to bring, and how many people you expect to be present for each day of filming
   
4. Proper caution and respect shown for our sets, which must be kept in a usable condition for all fan film shoots, not just yours. You will be responsible for the cost of repair for any damage to the studio caused by your production.
   
5. Prompt payment, according to our schedule (laid out below), of all fees required for the use of our facilities prior to your filming date.
   
6. The following acknowledgement in your closing credits:
   

Filmed at The Neutral Zone Studios


Kingsland, GA


www.neutralzonestudios.com

(1) definately explains any ban Peters might have, and while I don't know the specifics of Lane's project, it might be a problem there, (5) could be an issue with either and I'm not entirely convinced that Peters at least would agree to (6).

 

[KennyB]

I think it's at least possible that the Axanar-Continues feud had at least something to do with NZ Studios refusing to allow Lane or Peters to film on their sets, as they don't seem to be booked at the moment (the only WIP project isn't slated premiere until 'Fall' which is way more time than anyone serious about a 'guidelines compliant' short would need), however I think it's unlikely that Mignogna 'told' NZ Studios to refuse Lane, but rather Lane's proposal conflicted with at least one NZ Studios guidelines:

We ask for the following things from all fans wishing to use our sets for filming:

1. Your pledge (in writing or email) that you will adhere to the CBS/Paramount guidelines for Star Trek fan films
2. Your signature on a waiver of liability releasing Neutral Zone Studios from any liability in the event you or any of your personnel are injured in any way while within our facility. All members of your crew will be asked to sign this waiver when they enter the studio
3. A list in advance of which sets you intend to film on, what filming equipment you intend to bring, and how many people you expect to be present for each day of filming
4. Proper caution and respect shown for our sets, which must be kept in a usable condition for all fan film shoots, not just yours. You will be responsible for the cost of repair for any damage to the studio caused by your production.
5. Prompt payment, according to our schedule (laid out below), of all fees required for the use of our facilities prior to your filming date.
6. The following acknowledgement in your closing credits:

Filmed at The Neutral Zone Studios


Kingsland, GA


www.neutralzonestudios.com

(1) definately explains any ban Peters might have, and while I don't know the specifics of Lane's project, it might be a problem there, (5) could be an issue with either and I'm not entirely convinced that Peters at least would agree to (6).

Oh that is exactly it.........They asked several times and were denied. After assuming and announcing they were filming there.

 

[Krandor]

Oh that is exactly it.........They asked several times and were denied. After assuming and announcing they were filming there.

If you didn't know any better you might think Alec and Lane had no idea what they are doing.

 

[Csalem]

FanFilmFactor article on filming at Warp66 Studios instead of Neutral Zone:
https://fanfilmfactor.com/2019/05/2...p-66-studios-instead-of-neutral-zone-studios/