News Captain Pike Has Been Cast

[Greg Cox]

I actually don't think that we will. If I recall correctly, Sarek's attendance on the Enterprise for the Babel Conference was the first time they had spoken in 17 years.

The actual line was that they hadn't spoken "as father and son" for seventeen years, so there's some wiggle room there, as long as they keep things coolly professional.

Plus, that line was spoken by Amanda, who might not have known about any encounter with DISCOVERY. It's not like Sarek also told her everything. He didn't even tell her about his heart condition, so he might not have told her about some tense meeting with Spock that occurred when she was nowhere around.

 

[lawman]

I actually don't think that we will. If I recall correctly, Sarek's attendance on the Enterprise for the Babel Conference was the first time they had spoken in 17 years.

18 years. But just because Sarek doesn't see Spock (more precisely: won't speak to him) doesn't mean that Michael or others can't interact with him. Such interactions were used to good effect in Mack's DSC novel Desperate Hours, and one hopes the TV writers could do them just as insightfully.

Besides, if the show has gone to the trouble of setting up Michael as Spock's half-sibling, and of bringing his ship onto the scene, and then doesn't use him at all, that would come across as nothing but a colossal and deliberate tease to viewers. Viewers don't like that kinda thing...

 

[fireproof78]

18 years. But just because Sarek doesn't see Spock (more precisely: won't speak to him) doesn't mean that Michael or others can't interact with him. Such interactions were used to good effect in Mack's DSC novel Desperate Hours, and one hopes the TV writers could do them just as insightfully.

Besides, if the show has gone to the trouble of setting up Michael as Spock's half-sibling, and of bringing his ship onto the scene, and then doesn't use him at all, that would come across as nothing but a colossal and deliberate tease to viewers. Viewers don't like that kinda thing...

"Gone to the trouble?" She's Sarek's ward, so th eimplication is fairly clear.

I see your point, but largely, i don't think 'viewers don't like that" is sufficient reason to just have Spock on there. I would rather there be a character moment or a story moment to be had, and one where Spock and Sarek barely speak or don't make contact is more interesting to me than just "IT'S SPOCK!"

 

[DigificWriter]

Unless the producers were just trying to be coy and avoid answering casting questions, we're not going to be seeing Spock in Discovery.

 

[lawman]

"Gone to the trouble" as in, yeah, that's what they made her, and it obviously provokes certain audience expectations, and presumably was intended to. Same with meeting the Enterprise. Setting up such expectations and then not delivering a payoff is the kind of thing that loses viewers. I totally agree that they need a good story to justify using Spock (and Pike and the Enterprise, for that matter); I just hope they had (at least) one in mind when they set up those expectations in the first place.

 

[fireproof78]

"Gone to the trouble" as in, yeah, that's what they made her, and it obviously provokes certain audience expectations, and presumably was intended to. Same with meeting the Enterprise. Setting up such expectations and then not delivering a payoff is the kind of thing that loses viewers. I totally agree that they need a good story to justify using Spock (and Pike and the Enterprise, for that matter); I just hope they had (at least) one in mind when they set up those expectations in the first place.

They set up them meeting Captain Pike and the Enterprise. I make zero assumptions or expectations regarding Spock.

And, in this instance, it is tough to make any assumptions regarding the audience, since, as other discussions have demonstrated, there really isn't a consensus on what the Discovery audience is (casual? Fans?) much less what they expect.

 

[Lord Garth]

Whatever happened to Temis? She was a good poster.

She just left one day. Unfortunately, you know as much as I do. I'd have loved to have seen what she'd think about Discovery.

 

[Noname Given]

He really isn't. Kirk had the exact same issue with having a female Yeoman.

See "The Corbimite Maneuver" and Kirk's conversation with McCoy about Rand.

But I will guarantee that they will make Pike a very flawed character on STD. They can't have him be an awesome badass and make Burnham look inferior in comparison. They will do something to him that makes him look shady or weak. That's my biggest reservation about bringing Pike and friends onto this series.

Why not? Burham looked inferior to everyone in Command except maybe Saru.

Your personal indifference towards the contents of Discovery's tie-in novels means nothing.

The DSC tie-in novels aren't explicitly Canon, but they're also not explicitly Non-Canon, either.

That is a fact.

CBS position is that only what's been shown on the screen (TV or Film) is canon in Star Trek. That still holds true today. If something from a book or other meduia is worked into a TV episode or film, THEN it's canon.

We must have watched different shows then. Discovery is clearly prime timeline if you ignore the visuals.

Nope watch the same show - and the visuals are as important to the Prime Universe 'canon' as anything else. The 1701 in ST: D in 2258 looks very different from Pike's 1701 just 3 or so years earlier and very different from Kirk's 1701 from the TV show period. Are we to believe the ship got a TMP style refit; and then went back to how it looked during Kirk's original 5 year mission? Please.

It's a rebooted universe with much the same history and the original 'Prime' universe, but ST: D isn't in the Prime Universe - the ST: D production staff are being dishonest with both themselves and fans when they try to make that claim.

 

[lawman]

They set up them meeting Captain Pike and the Enterprise. I make zero assumptions or expectations regarding Spock.

And, in this instance, it is tough to make any assumptions regarding the audience, since, as other discussions have demonstrated, there really isn't a consensus on what the Discovery audience is (casual? Fans?) much less what they expect.

I think even the most casual of casual viewers is likely familiar with Spock (more so than Pike, at least), and is aware that the Enterprise is the ship he serves on. If anything, they're more likely to expect him, as opposed to fans like us who can cobble up any number of either in-story or BTS explanations for his absence.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's a rebooted universe with much the same history and the original 'Prime' universe, but ST: D isn't in the Prime Universe - the ST: D production staff are being dishonest with both themselves and fans when they try to make that claim.

Nope.

It's the people who refuse to accept that, aside from visual aesthetics (which are not and have never been a Canon indicator of where/when a series is set), there is nothing about Discovery that DOESN'T make it part of the Prime Universe who are "being dishonest with themselves".

 

[Noname Given]

Nope.

It's the people who refuse to accept that, aside from visual aesthetics (which are not and have never been a Canon indicator of where/when a series is set), there is nothing about Discovery that DOESN'T make it part of the Prime Universe who are "being dishonest with themselves".

Hahaha:

The 1701 from TOS Remastered:

The 1701 from DS9: "Trial and Tribbleations:

The 1701 from ENT - "In a Mirror Darkly":

Funny how EVERY OTHER Prime Universe Star Trek series that featured the 1701 U.S.S. Enterprise for the past 40 years had it look like the original TOS version. Then ST: D comes along and it looks like this:

^^^
And y9oun want to pass it as 'Prime Universe'? Hahahahahaha!

 

[Ceridwen]

The 1701 from ENT - "In a Mirror Darkly":

You might want to check that picture again.

 

[Tuskin38]

-enterprise pictures-

You're in the wrong thread. This is about Pike's casting, not the Enterprise.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/uss-enterprise-eventually-on-discovery.288986/page-224

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Funny how EVERY OTHER Prime Universe Star Trek series that featured the 1701 U.S.S. Enterprise for the past 40 years had it look like the original TOS version.

I think you meant to say "Funny how EVERY OTHER Prime Universe Trek series ... had it look like the plastic 1960s model, which actually significantly contrasted with every other ship and FX shown in those series and stood out like a sore thumb."

^^^
And y9oun want to pass it as 'Prime Universe'? Hahahahahaha!

Looks close enough to me. This makes it look like the ship is actually real, and not a model.

 

[fireproof78]

I think even the most casual of casual viewers is likely familiar with Spock (more so than Pike, at least), and is aware that the Enterprise is the ship he serves on. If anything, they're more likely to expect him, as opposed to fans like us who can cobble up any number of either in-story or BTS explanations for his absence.

Sure, but that doesn't build in an expectation. Tell a good story, and that won't matter. Again, my ST 09 experience with my mom speaks to that. Yes, it is anecdotal evidence and won't speak to the masses, but that's my experience.

 

[Vger23]

I have zero expectations of seeing Spock on DSC. I actually think it's batshit crazy to expect that we will. You all should right-set that expectation right now.

Unless of course, as usual, you're just LOOKING for something to be enraged by.

 

[fireproof78]

I have zero expectations of seeing Spock on DSC. I actually think it's batshit crazy to expect that we will. You all should right-set that expectation right now.

#nospock

 

[Push The Button]

I have zero expectations of seeing Spock on DSC. I actually think it's batshit crazy to expect that we will. You all should right-set that expectation right now.

Unless of course, as usual, you're just LOOKING for something to be enraged by.

I'll be upset if we don't see Yeoman Colt.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You might want to check that picture again.

True, but there's no reason whatsoever to assume that the 1701 from its universe wasn't basically identical.

 

[Cyrus]

Hopefully Spock will not be a CGI Nimoy.