Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

[Infern0]

The bay/good guy who requisition a vehicle is a trope old as the cinema itself. But I am at a loss to understand what could be the difference too...

It doesn't serve you to feign ignorance as to why the outrage exists.

Captain Marvel is a feminist movie and it's star is feminist, there's different types of feminism and the argument is this film is of a malignant type.

Now you can argue against that but don't pretend you don't understand the argument, that's just silly.

The fact this scene was edited suggests to me even the people behind the movie (who clearly DID have a social engineering agenda) understood they were going a bit too far. And that's saying something.

 

[theenglish]

It was feminist in absolutely the most positive sense. I am still so happy that I was able to take my daughter to see it, in the same way I was happy she loved The Force Awakens and Wonder Woman.

As for the scene in question, the original seen was an unfinished test. It was re-edited to have more similarity to the T2 scene, and the fact that there is literally no difference between this scene and similar scenes in other movies only serves to reinforce the fact that those who criticize it do so out of an agenda of their own. I believe that that was what Skipper's point was--or were you the one who was feigning ignorance?

 

[Turtletrekker]

The bay/good guy who requisition a vehicle is a trope old as the cinema itself. But I am at a loss to understand what could be the difference too...

Even Captain f****** (language!) America "borrowed" a car in Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

 

[Skipper]

Even Captain f****** (language!) America "borrowed" a car in Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

And he did it in the 1990 movie too!

It seems that the earlier example of this trope was in the serial The Hazards of Helen (1914).
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So, a strong and independent woman "borrowing" a bike... I wonder if people complained at the time too...

 

[Captrek]

I don't recall a single person giving Peter Parker shit for stealing (and wrecking) Flash Thompson's car in Homecoming. I wonder what the difference could be?

Most people didn’t give Carol shit in the theatrical cut of the film, either. It’s the deleted scene that has tongues wagging. It’s the difference between stealing out of necessity and stealing because it’s emotionally satisfying to do that to someone you met 30 seconds ago and already hate.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Most people didn’t give Carol shit in the theatrical cut of the film, either. It’s the deleted scene that has tongues wagging. It’s the difference between stealing out of necessity and stealing because it’s emotionally satisfying to do that to someone you met 30 seconds ago and already hate.

Nonsense, plenty of folks whining right in this thread.

That stuff has been done countless times without complaint. By guys.

Suddenly, its a problem.

Wonder why?

 

[Captrek]

Come to think of it, I am on record (if not here, then elsewhere) criticizing a male action hero for vehicle theft: John McClane in Die Hard 5.

Some schlemiel makes the mistake of trying to speak to McClane in Russian. McClane knocks him out, shouts “You think I understand a word you’re saying?!”, leaves the unconscious man in the road, and takes his car. The whole thing is played for laughs. Ick.

 

[HugeLobes]

Late to the party, but I only just saw it. Thumbs up, especially for Brie Larson. Bad guys as good guys was great, and I loved seeing Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury instead of Samuel L Jackson.

But I will say I don’t enjoy this kind of superhero. Maybe I’m missing the subtleties, but her powers just seem to be ... power? Mainly able to shoot ‘conclusive blasts’ of indeterminate strength from her hands and fly ridiculously fast. Marvel seems to have plenty of those kinda varying power heroes. I wish they had more x-men style characters with more specific powers. One of the reasons I prefer Spider-Man as a recent(ish) addition.

Anyone else feel the same?

 

[Infern0]

Nonsense, plenty of folks whining right in this thread.

That stuff has been done countless times without complaint. By guys.

Suddenly, its a problem.

Wonder why?

If in a movie a guy stole a woman's car/bike whatever and humiliated her in the process you would be waving your placard and boycotting it 100%

It's a double standard.

Movies like this portray every female character as inspirational and perfect and 99% of men are scumbags, perverts, and the ones who aren't evil are just dummies who we laugh at how dumb they are.

I am aware there was one British/Asian female in this movie who was the token female baddie.

The reason Wonderwoman didn't get heat from dudes was because there was a male in it who was brave, loyal and a good guy you could cheer for

Was he the main character? No

Did he overshadow Wonderwoman? No

Was he as strong as Wonderwoman? No

But that's "feminism" and "equality" done right, you can have a strong female lead without having to step all over men to get there

By the way I'm really against making women look bad on film too but if movies like captain marvel are "getting it right" then we need more movies with disloyal, money grabbing, backstabbing bitchy women getting taught a lesson by honourable men because that's would be "getting male empowerment right"

Hey, equality!

(Bring on the trump supporter accusations)

 

[Tosk]

Come to think of it, I am on record (if not here, then elsewhere) criticizing a male action hero for vehicle theft: John McClane in Die Hard 5.

Some schlemiel makes the mistake of trying to speak to McClane in Russian. McClane knocks him out, shouts “You think I understand a word you’re saying?!”, leaves the unconscious man in the road, and takes his car. The whole thing is played for laughs. Ick.

I absolutely hated that scene. Even in a movie as bad as Die Hard 5, the presentation of John McClane in that scene is just baffling.

 

[Skipper]

Come to think of it, I am on record (if not here, then elsewhere) criticizing a male action hero for vehicle theft: John McClane in Die Hard 5.

Some schlemiel makes the mistake of trying to speak to McClane in Russian. McClane knocks him out, shouts “You think I understand a word you’re saying?!”, leaves the unconscious man in the road, and takes his car. The whole thing is played for laughs. Ick.

Well, he broke the unwritten rules of this trope, but before that we had literally decades of vehicles stolen by the good guys. And really, no one has never said anything about this particular cliché. It's just one of those things they do in the movies but it's at least questionable in real life. But now a woman did it, and the Internet is rioting (well, the douchebag part of it).

 

[Anwar]

The reason Wonderwoman didn't get heat from dudes was because there was a male in it who was brave, loyal and a good guy you could cheer for

Actually, it's because Wonder Woman herself was portrayed as this naive woman child who needed to be led around BY said heroic male.

But that's "feminism" and "equality" done right, you can have a strong female lead without having to step all over men to get there

Sure, if you want your heroine to be a kid in an adults' body.

By the way I'm really against making women look bad on film too but if movies like captain marvel are "getting it right" then we need more movies with disloyal, money grabbing, backstabbing bitchy women getting taught a lesson by honourable men because that's would be "getting male empowerment right"

Happens often enough.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think I must have seen a different version of Wonder Woman.

 

[theenglish]

If in a movie a guy stole a woman's car/bike whatever and humiliated her in the process you would be waving your placard and boycotting it 100%

It's a double standard.

Disagree. If there were a physically powerful woman and a male who appeared physically weaker--and the woman was portrayed as the man is in this movie then the scene could play out almost the same way we have it on screen minus the handshake probably.

So, you are saying that you really despise the scene in Terminator on which this is based I assume.

Really, if you are so offended by this scene, I would suggest in all seriousness seeking out professional help. Your comments are beginning to concern me from a mental health standpoint, and perhaps others on this board as well.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Fragile broflake dudebros don't know when to stop fragile broflake dudebroing...


https://god.dailydot.com/brie-larso...source=thegoodlordabove&utm_campaign=bloomjoy

What makes this particular funny to me is that Brie Larson had to have known this was going to provoke this exact reaction, so therefore she was just trolling the fragile broflake dudebros and got exactly the reaction she was hoping for.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wonder Woman is a way of taking money from feminists.

All Feminist dollars here!

Long, long ago, I read a Wonder Woman comic from the early 90s were a poor girl was (verbally) abused at school by mean girls because her parents couldn't afford to buy all the super cool Wonder Woman merch (bracelets, other stuff.), until Wonder Woman saw the crying 11 year old, and said "What's the matter little warrior?!"

Wonder Woman yelled at the people in charge of the Wonder Woman shop, until they agreed that all Diana's merch would be given away free now (to little girls, or to everyone?) because she refused to be responsible for class warfare between schoolgirls any more.

Sappy story.

My guess is that as soon as the merch became free, later, that the meangirls stopped being interested in their devalued Wonder Woman toys any more, becuase their personal value is dependent on external valuation.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Fragile broflake dudebros don't know when to stop fragile broflake dudebroing...


https://god.dailydot.com/brie-larso...source=thegoodlordabove&utm_campaign=bloomjoy

What makes this particular funny to me is that Brie Larson had to have known this was going to provoke this exact reaction, so therefore she was just trolling the fragile broflake dudebros and got exactly the reaction she was hoping for.

At this point, Brie could cure cancer and the dudebros would be triggered and scream Marysue when she got a Nobel for the discovery.

 

[Infern0]

Disagree. If there were a physically powerful woman and a male who appeared physically weaker--and the woman was portrayed as the man is in this movie then the scene could play out almost the same way we have it on screen minus the handshake probably.

So, you are saying that you really despise the scene in Terminator on which this is based I assume.

Really, if you are so offended by this scene, I would suggest in all seriousness seeking out professional help. Your comments are beginning to concern me from a mental health standpoint, and perhaps others on this board as well.

Here's your liberal left, people.

If you don't agree with out agenda and everything we say you are mentally ill.

Sarcastic, passive aggressive bullies who clothe themselves in good deeds. I actually do have mental health struggles and you are a piece of work for using them to silence my opinion. You should be ashamed.

 

[theenglish]

Here's your liberal left, people.

If you don't agree with out agenda and everything we say you are mentally ill.

Sarcastic, passive aggressive bullies who clothe themselves in good deeds. I actually do have mental health struggles and you are a piece of work for using them to silence my opinion. You should be ashamed.

Not ashamed at all. You are literally saying that Wonder Woman is better than Captain Marvel because WW has a male companion that was strong (but CM only had a female companion that was strong? and the men were somehow belittled?).

And I am certainly not being a bully. The ideas that you are expressing are scary even though you may not think so right now. Opinions about movies are fine. When those opinions slip into dangerous territory they are something else. It is these kinds of opinions that are propagated by male groups to justify feelings of inadequacy or insecurity, and too often lead to violent actions against women. This is not new. I was in Montreal when fourteen women were killed at the Polytechnique in 1989. Also, if you recognize that you have a mental health condition then perhaps you should consider bringing this up with your health care professional (again--not bullying).

 

[Infern0]

Not ashamed at all. You are literally saying that Wonder Woman is better than Captain Marvel because WW has a male companion that was strong (but CM only had a female companion that was strong? and the men were somehow belittled?).

And I am certainly not being a bully. The ideas that you are expressing are scary even though you may not think so right now. Opinions about movies are fine. When those opinions slip into dangerous territory they are something else. It is these kinds of opinions that are propagated by male groups to justify feelings of inadequacy or insecurity, and too often lead to violent actions against women. This is not new. I was in Montreal when fourteen women were killed at the Polytechnique in 1989. Also, if you recognize that you have a mental health condition then perhaps you should consider bringing this up with your health care professional (again--not bullying).

You are absolutely reaching (as usual) that preferring Wonderwoman to boring captain marvel is going to lead towards violence against women.

Really? Is this your concern in life?

Honestly CM wasn't a "bad" movie I don't hate it but it was far from perfect and it definitely had an agenda.

But because it was the agenda you want (empower women at the expense of men) you put it on a pedestal and make wild accusations at any criticism of it.

You people are deluded, you think you are doing the world a favour by pushing us towards an orwellian thought policed state.

I reject you and everything you stand for, I do not advocate violence against ANYONE, stop scare mongering.

Get a life, Jesus.