Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

[theenglish]

Somebody mentioned, maybe even earlier in this thread, that the original version of this scene was only a test that was one of the first things filmed in the movie and that it was never meant to be used as we saw--hence the reworked version in the movie.

 

[dahj]

I don't have an issue where I need to pretend

Oh really?

 

[Gov Kodos]

Why?

I don't have an issue where I need to pretend to be a victim of men or that I'm held down by that.

As I've said many a time I don't belive white women are held down at all, a little infantilized maybe, generally the way I see it. Of course there's exceptions, I'm not saying no white woman has ever been through something bad or been abused.

There's victims in this world, they are everywhere, real victims. The issue I have is most of the people who act like they care about these causes don't care about the real victims. It's either middle classed white women just wanting something to complain about or celebrities adressing us from their ivory towers before they go back inside for another cocaine hit.

If people want to solve things then the right people need to speak on this and the people we have talking on it now, most of them need to sit down.

I wonder what this one will claim to be in the future. Thanks dodge.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/poll-janeway-gender.82803/page-2#post-2618339

 

[Turtletrekker]

I wonder what this one will claim to be in the future. Thanks dodge.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/poll-janeway-gender.82803/page-2#post-2618339

A tri-sexual chartreuse omni-gender.

"Would somebody PLEASE think of the trisexual chartreuse omni-genders?"

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, they were going for dark. But yeah, that scene sucked, as did that movie.

The real difference between Marvel and these other examples isn’t her gender, it’s how much she enjoyed it (in the deleted scene, I had no problem with the theatrical cut).

Women are approached and assaulted (in the legal sense) all of the time by men and have their personal space violated and are told, "What, no smile for me?" It happens all the time to women if you're even reasonably attractive.

I bet every one of them would love it if they could "shake hands" with the man and use powers to bring him to his knees in pain and then quip, "What? No smile for me?"

THAT is the point of the Captain Marvel scene, ignore her stealing his bike (she violates a lot of laws over the course of the movie to complete her mission, her taking the bike is probably the "smallest" of them) the point of the scene is just the "empowerment" of a woman being able to get back at this very common, real, an epidemic problem our society has.

Men (not all men, asshole men who see women as objects for enjoyment) who verbally harass women and expect them to smile for [our] pleasure. There's women on this very board if you talk them, particularly if they live in large cities like LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. who'll tell you the hurdles they have to go through to avoid unwanted interaction on the streets and how often they're told to just smile.

They should have left that scene in for this reason alone.

Call it feminist propaganda if you want, but given the way a good chunk of society wants to, and continues to want to, treat women I think it's something we need.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Actually the scene was a homage to Terminator 2, which had the Terminator do the exact same thing. But that wasn’t a problem because Arnold is a man and not a heat sink for hate like Brie Larson is for a sad group of men.

The fact that we are debating this is silly, we should be pointing at laughing.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, I got the homage bit, was speaking more of the social commentary in it. And it obviously wanted to make the commentary on top of the homage with the "what no smile" and other sexual harassment angles in it.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Yeah, I got the homage bit, was speaking more of the social commentary in it. And it obviously wanted to make the commentary on top of the homage with the "what no smile" and other sexual harassment angles in it.

Given that probably every single woman on the planet for a significant portion of history have had to deal with that a lot, it was also a bit of wish fulfillment. The fact that some took offense to it shows that they have a real issue feeling entitled to women’s personal space and how they react.

The guy was an asshole and got what he deserved, if you identify with him I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[theenglish]

I don't know if people identify so much as they don't think what the guy did was that bad. Or they are upset that a man didn't step in and help Carol out of the situation. Or she should have smiled and flirted her way onto the motorcycle. Take your pick.

 

[Marsden]

I miss when this thread was about a movie and not two groups of whiners whining at each other.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don't know if people identify so much as they don't think what the guy did was that bad. Or they are upset that a man didn't step in and help Carol out of the situation. Or she should have smiled and flirted her way onto the motorcycle. Take your pick.

I get the feeling they just hate her and would complain no matter what happened. This is entirely based on an overreaction to Brie Larson existing.

 

[JD]

Is it weird that the fact that she pisses off those types of guys so much, actually makes me like her even more?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is it weird that the fact that she pisses off those types of guys so much, actually makes me like her even more?

To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with her in Captain Marvel, but she more than makes up for it in real life.

 

[Skipper]

Brie Larson Just Posted A Picture Of Herself Holding Thor’s Hammer–And Fragile Fanboys Are Up In Arms

 

[Trekker4747]

I've no love or hate for Brie Larson. I'm totally indifferent towards her, thought she was fine in Captain Marvel and in her 36-seconds of screen time in Endgame. But that she expresses her mind so freely and clearly see the gender-disparity problems in this country/world and isn't afraid to point them out is awesome, that she enrages these easily set-off internet trolls with delicate masculinity makes me love her.

That she can show a picture of herself holding Mjolnir and get people angry is awesome.

That she quip-back to a man, "What no smile?!" and get people so enraged just makes me ecstatic because that's the kind of stuff that needs to be stirred up.

 

[Tosk]

The examples they posted are hardly "up in arms". I mean, screw anybody who whines because Carol or Brie are strong, but this is five or six anal nerds mentioning the prop or saying that Thor is stronger, then four hundred articles getting written about it.

Can't we just ignore this very small group instead of giving them the spotlight over and over and over?

 

[Teelie]

If you ignore that small group of people who make a controversial opinion then there won't be any clickbait-y articles. The fact is you can literally find a group of people supporting or opposing anything on the internet. It doesn't take much to find someone to "prove" there is an outrage culture somewhere.

There is always going to be fragile men in the world offended by something a woman did. Giving them a voice under the guise that their opinion somehow is newsworthy is a disservice to the majority of men who aren't offended.

They aren't worth the time to argue with. If I see them around here I ignore them, either skipping their comments or just outright blocking their posts because I don't want to bother with their petty attitudes.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Is it weird that the fact that she pisses off those types of guys so much, actually makes me like her even more?

If it is I’m weird too.

 

[PSGarak]

I had no complaints with her performance. I felt like she conveyed the tone they wanted to set with the character quite well. I've seen arguments that she came across as flat or wooden and can't help but to wonder how many of those complaints are rooted in expectations of how female characters are usually portrayed and emoted. I've known plenty of women and men like Carol, minus the super powers and amnesia. Really, what struck me repeatedly while watching it was that the writers were clearly more interested in portraying a person, warts and all, than a hero or a stereotype. It was refreshing.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Part of that seemed like a character choice. She’s basically in cop mode for a lot of the beginning, except for a brief moment where Jude Law tells her to control her emotions. She later warms up as she and Fury hang out and she starts to remember her past.