Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

[Mr. Adventure]

How could they not get the message, it's right there in your face. The thing is the scene of Captain Marvel getting back up is not the scene in Endgame which everyone seems to agree does stick out but many like it because they like the message. I can't believe the things I read in the news these days so maybe I just need to suck it up and groan if it's working for young viewers. Maybe it's worth being corny.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The only thing that bothered me about that scene was the use of a song that wasn't released until after Carol had left Earth - even though she supposedly was choosing the music, according to the Supreme Intelligence.

That’s just in our universe, Nirvana could have become popular earlier in the MCU for some reason or another.

Or it’s just a great song and fit the scene.

 

[PsychoPere]

That’s just in our universe, Nirvana could have become popular earlier in the MCU for some reason or another.
Or it’s just a great song and fit the scene.

I'll assume either that or @Turtletrekker's suggestion that she heard it while driving with Fury.

The Supreme Intelligence directly commented on it being a "good choice," so it was definitely being heard in-universe, not just music for the audience.

My comment was also mostly tongue-in-cheek. It's an amusing thing to think about after-the-fact given how fastidious the MCU tries to be re: details, but it certainly didn't occur to me during the movie.

 

[Turtletrekker]

If Yondu can find a Zune with 300 Earth songs on it in an alien marketplace, then Vers could have heard Come as You Are out in space. Who knows. Maybe Nirvana was big on Alpha Centauri.

Nah, she heard it on the radio on the way to Project Pegasus.

 

[PsychoPere]

Hah, I forgot about the Zune.

Fair point, sir.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Music seems to be the only influence Earth has on the galaxy. Probably for the best.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Music seems to be the only influence Earth has on the galaxy. Probably for the best.

Chuck Berry is gone, but his music is still flying through the cosmos

 

[Set Harth]

Depends how you define the final battle - I think most people are talking about more than just the last five minutes with Zod.

So by "the final battle" these people really mean something completely different? I think most people would interpret "the final battle" to mean... the final battle.

Some people with short attention spans will say the fight with Zod felt like it went on for 45 minutes.

 

[theenglish]

I think the problem for me was that by the time we got to that final battle with Zod, I was pretty drained and ready for the movie to be over--and thought it was--then they started punching each other and I was thinking "There's MORE????"

 

[Grendelsbayne]

So by "the final battle" these people really mean something completely different? I think most people would interpret "the final battle" to mean... the final battle.

Some people with short attention spans will say the fight with Zod felt like it went on for 45 minutes.

Not really, no. The fight with Zod is only one part of the super-intense climax of the movie, and all the different parts of that climax tend to bleed together. Sure, you can easily argue that there's a short break at the crater to 'separate' it from the rest, but that doesn't at all mean its unreasonable to see the entire climax as 'the final fight'.

 

[theenglish]

Not really, no. The fight with Zod is only one part of the super-intense climax of the movie, and all the different parts of that climax tend to bleed together. Sure, you can easily argue that there's a short break at the crater to 'separate' it from the rest, but that doesn't at all mean its unreasonable to see the entire climax as 'the final fight'.

That break at the crater was where I was expecting a Superman II moment. That Kal-El would have some way to resolve the story without a final battle, some way to get them to the Phantom Zone or at least agree to leave Earth. For me, a less violent solution would have been a much more satisfying and creative resolution than what we got.

 

[Reverend]

There's one deleted scene that the scriptwriters wish had stayed in the film.

I agree with them. It would've been a lot of fun to watch Jude Law perform that scene.

Quick show of hands: anyone here NOT guess Yon-Rogg saw himself when he visited the Supreme Intelligence when watching the movie the first time?
I mean I couldn't have been the only one, so that rather proves exactly why the scene should have been cut. Not that it wouldn't have been fun, but I think it works better when the audience figures out the subtext of what he's all about on their own.

 

[Ovation]

That break at the crater was where I was expecting a Superman II moment. That Kal-El would have some way to resolve the story without a final battle, some way to get them to the Phantom Zone or at least agree to leave Earth. For me, a less violent solution would have been a much more satisfying and creative resolution than what we got.

I would have expected such a resolution from a Superman who wasn’t on his first day on the job. Even Christopher Reeve’s Superman had notable experience by the time he had to confront Zod and his two friends (not a small army of Kryptonians with advanced technology like Cavill’s Superman—again, on his first day on the job).

 

[theenglish]

I would have expected such a resolution from a Superman who wasn’t on his first day on the job. Even Christopher Reeve’s Superman had notable experience by the time he had to confront Zod and his two friends (not a small army of Kryptonians with advanced technology like Cavill’s Superman—again, on his first day on the job).

I know we've seen this reason mentioned a lot, but I just don't buy it. It may be his first day on the job but he's not a child--it is not his first day as an intelligent, thinking being. Besides, Carol was busting up entire warships only minutes after she learned she had powers.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Quick show of hands: anyone here NOT guess Yon-Rogg saw himself when he visited the Supreme Intelligence when watching the movie the first time?
I mean I couldn't have been the only one, so that rather proves exactly why the scene should have been cut. Not that it wouldn't have been fun, but I think it works better when the audience figures out the subtext of what he's all about on their own.

That would have been the joke, confirming that the audience already suspected.

 

[Reverend]

That would have been the joke, confirming that the audience already suspected.

Sure, but during editing it comes down to a question of "where does this fit in the narrative and what does it really add to the story"? Over the years I've seen probably hundreds of deleted scenes on DVDs that seemed like great scenes in isolation, but when placed in context they're either detrimental to the pacing and/or tone, were a superfluous distraction or just flat out redundant information.

In this case; this is Carol's movie, not Yon-Rogg's, so we the audience don't need it spelled out what a massive egotist he truly is unless it directly relates to Carol's arc in a significant way. And if the scene has no other vital information in it then it's gotta go. It would have been different if it were a thing Carol could witness and react to, but I don't think that would be possible given how one "visits" the SI. Indeed I suspect where this scene would have fallen would have been while Yon-Rogg was enroute to Earth, which probably means it was a conversation about things the audience already knows, or will be repeated on other scenes down the line anyway.

I suppose they could have gone with a post credit scene of him reporting back to the SI, but that would make *three* post credits. That seems like it'd be pushing it and might cause some confusion given the next time we see Carol it's decades later and no mention of either of those two antagonist is made or even alluded to. Plus it's entirely possible that 'Captain Marvel 2' will have nothing ot do with either of them, so why drop a foreshadow?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Sure, but during editing it comes down to a question of "where does this fit in the narrative and what does it really add to the story"? Over the years I've seen probably hundreds of deleted scenes on DVDs that seemed like great scenes in isolation, but when placed in context they're either detrimental to the pacing and/or tone, were a superfluous distraction or just flat out redundant information.

In this case; this is Carol's movie, not Yon-Rogg's, so we the audience don't need it spelled out what a massive egotist he truly is unless it directly relates to Carol's arc in a significant way. And if the scene has no other vital information in it then it's gotta go. It would have been different if it were a thing Carol could witness and react to, but I don't think that would be possible given how one "visits" the SI. Indeed I suspect where this scene would have fallen would have been while Yon-Rogg was enroute to Earth, which probably means it was a conversation about things the audience already knows, or will be repeated on other scenes down the line anyway.

I suppose they could have gone with a post credit scene of him reporting back to the SI, but that would make *three* post credits. That seems like it'd be pushing it and might cause some confusion given the next time we see Carol it's decades later and no mention of either of those two antagonist is made or even alluded to. Plus it's entirely possible that 'Captain Marvel 2' will have nothing ot do with either of them, so why drop a foreshadow?

I'd've rather seen this than Goose hacking up the tesseract on Fury's desk.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I'd've rather seen this than Goose hacking up the tesseract on Fury's desk.

You should burn this post so that future generations can't find it.

 

[Captrek]

You should burn this post so that future generations can't find it.

Ah, don’t worry about it. The way we’re headed, there won’t be many future generations.

 

[mos6507]

However long we have left, expect A.P. to keep dumpster fire threads like this burning brightly all the way through to the end.