How do you know that?
Captain Marvel (2019)
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How do you know that?
How do you exactly measure "hatred"?
You can't, so the statement was meaningless.
Especially the last line from Mr. Spock:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/5.htm
^^^
For that alone, the Producers probably would have been fired had this been produced today.
Can we maybe not get into the umpteenth round of 'internet discourse over the Last Jedi' and maybe stick to the movie that came out more recently? It's been what, at least a year since TLJ came out? Like, I don't care if you like it or don't. I'm just, personally, tired of this debate occurring over and over again.
The real Captain Marvel discussion is in the grading thread. This one turned into the sexist troll discussion.
Facts, like how TLJ was the best selling DVD and Blu-Ray the year it came out. Unless it was all haters who needed to buy it and constantly renew their hate.
There was also a study done based on tweets, the negative ones were the minority and even then a lot were from bots.
I own the prequels, even though I don't like them. Completionist syndrome.
I just think it's wrong to assume that all TLJ haters are sexist - the movie has flaws, and some people might hate the movie for them. Personally, I left the theater thinking I just saw a masterpiece and was shocked to find that not a single person at my workplace liked it. And that includes women, so it's not like I work at some nazi-filled place.
I don't think they're all sexist. It is a major undercurrent in the majority of the hate. But some just didn't get it. It's not their fault, they went in expecting lightsabers and got an examination on learning from failure and the larger scale problems of a galaxy torn apart by decades of war and civil war.
Alright.
Honestly, I'm not sure how to categorize MCU superhero films. First of all, they don't all fit the same mold. They all share qualities of popcorn movies, but some of them manage to rise above that.
Besides Captain Marvel, I think both Winter Soldier and Black Panther also rose above it by having additional layers beyond just those needed for popcorn entertainment.
On the other hand, Dark World is an example of one that I found no virtues in besides pure popcorn. And, even though I think it's really good, I have a hard time seeing First Avenger as more than a popcorn film.
I thought Infinity War was more than popcorn entertainment, because I actually felt something afterwards that stayed with me long after the film was over. It felt exactly like I'd been to a funeral for a loved one. On the other hand, others think it was pure popcorn, mass-produced eye candy; many shrug the ending off and discuss a reset as inevitable . Obviously some of this is subjective.
I think perhaps blockbuster is a descriptive term that will prove to apply to Captain Marvel. As a term it's completely neutral as to artistic merit or lack thereof.
I'm open to better terms....
The description I like best is the MCU is like a long running tv show like maybe "Star Trek." Each episode has a kind of unique stand alone story but you do get crossoverstuff and then it sort of comes together in a season finale via "The Avengers" movie. Also once in awhile you might get a epic two parter that is also kind of a bigger deal from a big picture point of view. That would be ironically two of the "Captain America" movies in "WInter Solider" and then "Civil War."
Also there is a kind of formula. Lots of jokes have became standard procedure. To a point where it might even undercut drama. Also a big action pack 3rd act that is often a letdown. Also the bad guy almost plays second fiddle and the fun is mostly just seeing the characters do their thing and also interact with each other and world building. Also the films even when they have a completely different feel like "Black Panther" still feels oddly familiar to all the other movies. Especially after you get past the Phase 1 movies. Those Phase 1 movies hadn't fully embraced it's comic book lineage quite as much as it does now. I think they were still sort of working in a world were people kind of expected the more grounded "Batman" and "X Men" stuff.
Jason
I'm kind of starting to hope that Endgame ends with Thanos wiping the floor with all of the male Avengers, and then Captain Marvel gathers up Nebula, a resurrected Gamora, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, a resurrected Peggy Carter, Quake and May from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Jessica Jones, and Wasp and they all kick Thanos's ass. It would be worth it just to see all of the MRA types heads explode.
Oh man I completely forgot all the black panther characters. Yeah. Okoye, Shuri, Nakia, and the entire Dora Milaje definitely deserve a spot.
I don’t assume all TLJ haters are sexist. Like it or not. But when someone’s criticism is based in sexism, I’m gonna call them on it.
I knew I was forgetting people, add all them in there too.
I definitely did not ignore Okoye because she's black, I just forgot about her. Definitely add her and Shuri too.
I'm not fond of The Last Jedi, but it has nothing to do with the "ick, it's a girl" reasons that the MRAs bitch about. In fact, my troubles areawith the male characters. I think Poe Dameron in this movie is a total and complete insubordinate moron whose idiocy got the entire resistance killed. Our heroes failing doesn't bother me. Our heroes pretty much failed in just about everything in The empire strikes back as well. It's that they failed so incompetently.
Why do you hate custodians so much? You know just how messy and time consuming it would be for those poor souls to clean up brain goo and brain matter from the movie theaters. Imagine the seen in "Pulp Fiction" were they have to clean the car, times 50! Also if your around to see this I would suggest not wearing any of your favorite clothes that day. It might be something like this.
Jason
If people think Star Trek was sexiest (and scenes like that don't help), then they've never seen Gene Roddenberry's The Lieutenant, which was even worse. There's an episode of that show where the main character, Lt. Rice chases off a man who is trying to rape a woman. The woman is a teacher working secretly as a waitress as a club (it's the 60s so teachers weren't allowed to or something) and because she's worried about getting into trouble with her school, she falsely accuses Rice of trying to assault her. Rice is in legitimate legal trouble and not even his commanding officer can convince the woman to rescind her accusation. Who shows up to save Rice by browbeating the woman into telling the truth? THE ATTEMPTED RAPIST! Rice is cleared and THANKS the guy afterwards! I wish I was making this up but this actually passed as an episode of a TV show in 1963.
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