Captain Marvel (2019)
- Thread starter Skywalker
- Start date
Yeah. The line between "remake" and "new adaptation" is a blurry one. As you note, a lot depends on the degree to which the movie version may have eclipsed the original text, as well as on how much the new film draws upon the previous film versions, as opposed to the original book. And, honestly, it often depends on how "literary" the source material is. A new version of LITTLE WOMEN is less likely to be labeled a "remake" than, say, a new version of PLANET OF THE APES or LOGAN'S RUN or JAWS, even though the latter also started out as novels.
Which, getting back to the post that started this side-discussion, raises the question: do we count the 1940 PHANTOM OF THE OPERA as a remake of classic 1925 movie--or as a new adaptation of Gaston Leroux's original novel?
Last edited:
Yep. And he wore the blue-and-yellow outfit for years when he first joined the X-Men. Just looked it up: the brown costume didn't come along until 1980, a good six years after his first appearance.
https://gizmodo.com/the-complete-visual-history-of-wolverines-suit-833014628
Yup, that'll go over rreeaall well.This is where one of us needs to insist that she absolutely has to wear her very first costume from MS. MARVEL #1, the one with the open belly window that she wore even before she donned the black leotard and red sash.
I'm sure Brie Larson would love that.
And I think we can all agree that if they don't cram in that whole "gives birth to her own brainwashing kidnapper and everyone else is cool just with it" subplot into the first act, then this movie will be justly decried as blatantly unfaithful to the source material and the legacy of Captain Marvel!!!
In all seriousness, if there's a "and then Rogue grabs her" post credits scene, I may just jump for joy.
In all seriousness, if there's a "and then Rogue grabs her" post credits scene, I may just jump for joy.
Uhg. Oh god. Avengers 200. Quite possibly one of the worst comics ever written. The really sad thing is that that isn't how the story was supposed to go. David Michelinie's original ending to Avengers 200 was deemed by editor in chief Jim Shooter to be too similar to the ending of a "What If?" story that Marvel had recently published and he instructed Michelinie to change it. And now, here we are 35-odd years later and nobody remembers the "What if?" story and the Avengers story lives in infamy.And I think we can all agree that if they don't cram in that whole "gives birth to her own brainwashing kidnapper and everyone else is cool just with it" subplot into the first act, then this movie will be justly decried as blatantly unfaithful to the source material and the legacy of Captain Marvel!!!
In all seriousness, if there's a "and then Rogue grabs her" post credits scene, I may just jump for joy.
ETA: Read the sad tale here...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...rol-danvers-gave-birth-to-her-own-rapist/amp/
Last edited:
It's only legitimate if you really care. I know MANY MCU fans. None of them are comic fans. NONE OF THEM will care about the uniform consistency compared to the comics. This goes for the majority of MCU fans. People forget, that hardcore comic fans are a minority when it comes to MCU fans. And when I say hardcore comic fans, I mean HARDCORE. Not just casual readers.
The bigger part of MCU fans won't care about the colors of CM's outfit.
I'm a hardcore Comics fan and nothing that I've seen bothers me in the slightest. Mainly because I know we'll be getting a Comics accurate suit by the end of the movie. Just like I didn't get upset when I saw shots of Steve Rogers "chorus girl" suit from The First Avenger.
Last edited:
I wouldn't mind, but we're supposed to have come farther than that, or something....This is where one of us needs to insist that she absolutely has to wear her very first costume from MS. MARVEL #1, the one with the open belly window that she wore even before she donned the black leotard and red sash.
I'm sure Brie Larson would love that.
But that was the comics-accurate version.
Maybe if it had been made of chainmail.
Oh, please. Comic book characters change costumes even more frequently than even Starfleet changes uniforms! That's part of what makes the character of Edna Mode in The Incredibles so hilarious -- the superhero world desperately needs the services of fashion designers.
Comic book artists looove fiddling with costumes, coming up with both signature designs and "what were they thinking?!" disasters. (I see that, in the new Cable movie, Shatterstar is still saddled with his Rob Liefeld "padded roll around his face" thing.) And writers often signal big changes first by new looks for the characters -- Spidey's black costume and Storm's punk look w/ the mohawk haircut come to mind. And as often as not, a character's look is a shorthand for understanding or identifying a character. In the original The Crisis on Infinite Earths, you were able to identify most characters in the enormous crowd scenes due to George Perez's incredible accuracy on the plethora of outfits!
Comic book artists looove fiddling with costumes, coming up with both signature designs and "what were they thinking?!" disasters. (I see that, in the new Cable movie, Shatterstar is still saddled with his Rob Liefeld "padded roll around his face" thing.) And writers often signal big changes first by new looks for the characters -- Spidey's black costume and Storm's punk look w/ the mohawk haircut come to mind. And as often as not, a character's look is a shorthand for understanding or identifying a character. In the original The Crisis on Infinite Earths, you were able to identify most characters in the enormous crowd scenes due to George Perez's incredible accuracy on the plethora of outfits!
The tan and brown was his second costume. Third if you count the one he stole from Fang.
Which he only wore in Uncanny X-Men 107, 108 and Iron Fist 15 before very quickly ditching it in X-Men 109. Dave Cockrum, whose last issue as penciler was 107, intended for that to be Wolverine's new permanent costume and was apparently a little miffed when John Byrne decided to go back to the original design.
I read in an interview with one of the creative team that the reasoning behind that was that they were self-conscious at the time of Wolverine being considered a Timber Wolf knock-off, and didn't like the idea of him wearing a costume from another, more direct Timber Wolf knock-off.
I've heard Byrne just didn't like the costume. So he switched it back ASAP. Later created the tan and brown. He introduced the tan and brown because there are no blue and yellow wolverines. (Don't hate Michigan fans) Another story I've heard was Jim Lee calling up Byrne, proud he had changed Wolverine back to the blue and gold, forgetting it was Byrne who created the tan and brown.
Last edited:
