Captain Marvel (2019)
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"And at warp 13, we're going nowhere mighty fast."
-- Montgomery Scott
-- Montgomery Scott
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Huh, that's what I thought. I was confused for a moment and wandered in the wrong thread.
Huh, that's what I thought. I was confused for a moment and wandered in the wrong thread.
This is why I like the DCCU's approach to their movies, because it makes them different from the MCU. But of course, people don't like Superman (Man of Steel ) or any of the other DCCU movies aside from Wonder Woman, so we will be getting a new franchise runner who might make the DCCU exactly like the MCU 'just because.'
And that made the movie as good as the others.
I agree, since said lady would be dead by the time he graduated high school in real life. That said, IMHO Marisa Tomei was still a bit young to be Peter's aunt; I would've cast Sharon Stone as May, or maybe even Susan Sarandon. At least the casting wasn't like that of what was done for the Sabrina The Teenage Witch TV show (Hilda and Zelda, both very old ladies in the comic book [the last time I read it] were de-aged and played by Beth Broderick and Caroline Rhea, both of them in their late 30's/early 40's.)
Sounds like DC Comics too, except people didn't like that about Man of Steel, Batman Vs. Superman, Suicide Squad, or Justice League; I wonder why?
See what I said above.
Says who? DC has those too, and had it with Batman in BvS and Justice League. And oh yeah, the Teen Titans in the original comic books (The New Teen Titans in particular) did have identities outside the group, had to go to school and do homework, and coped with the usual teen angst (in one issue of The New Teen Titans , Beast Boy/Changeling couldn't go on missions with the group because his grades were bad, so his guardian forced him to tend to that until his grades got better.)
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From what I've seen of the Tomb Raider trailer, it's going to be as serious as the 2013 reboot video game it's based on.
I'll agree with you about Tony Stark, but that's it; there was nothing wrong with Zendaya as Mary Jane or her dad, the Vulture.
There's nothing wrong with Peter being a teen again, this was a part of the comic book for quite a while. And I thought that both movies with Garfield in them were just as great as the ones with McGuire as Peter/Spidey (heck, The Amazing Spider-Man II was better than the second Spider-Man movie of the first trilogy.)
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To be fair, re-reading the article it sounds like she was originally given a mandate to take Tomb Raider in that direction so it's not all her fault for that.
Not counting Ultimate Spider-Man, Peter hasn't been a high schooler since, and I think I have to repeat this every five minutes, my mother was literally in my grandmothers belly. Spider-Man #28, released in 1963 (the year my mother was born) has him graduate high school. So, he spent only 29 issues (not counting books he had guest appearances in) in a history with over 1000 issues just for main universe Peter as a teen in high school. Peter being a teenager wasn't a big part of his history, readers who got into him past 1963 all the way into the early 2000s never read a new issue with him as a high schooler. Even Ultimate Spider-Man doesn't have even 1/10th the appearances of adult main universe Peter Parker.
So, no, Peter Parker is almost never a teen. For the vast majority of his history he's been an adult, which is why raimi wisely got past the high school shit in the first 10-15 minutes of Spider-Man 1 and skipped right to the good stuff with adult Peter.
That said, saying the second worst Spider-Man movie (ASM II) is better then the best Spider-Man movie (Spider-Man II) means this whole conversation is probably pointless.
But why NOT count it? It's obviously a huge inspiration to the MCU (Hello Nick Fury!). At the time, I jumped off of 616 Spider-Man and stayed with Ultimate since that was so far beyond what was going on in Amazing, it wasn't even funny. And still holds up better than most. So why discount an amazingly written story that supports the idea that Spider-Man works well in a teenage setting? Or is it just easier to dismiss because it doesn't help your argument?
I say don't count it when talking about Peter being mostly shown as a teen, which is what that poster was implying. When it comes to the amount of time or the number of issues, Peter has mostly been portrayed as an adult by a huge margin.
Unrelated to that point, in my opinion Ultimate Spider-Man is a putrid pile of shit, only notable in that its not outright offensive like most of the other Ultimate line stuff (meaning no incest/prejudice/cannibalism like what Millar was writing in The ultimates). Its the definitive terrible teen hero book, and its also the worst work by far of Bendis, who is a comic writer I generally enjoy a lot. To be fair, its slightly less atrocious then the Miles Morales book since Ultimate Peter was at least a teenager and not a pre-teen like Baby Spidey Morales and as a teen book its a bit less irritating then Ms. Marvel because Bendis is a better writer then Wilson. But, overall its still crap.
Will Captain Marvel be worse? Possibly, if only because it had the potential to be good, something which a teen Peter movie never had.
That's the September 1965 issue. The first issue of the series came out in '63.
You're right, I got the date wrong when I looked it up (I thought it seemed weird, since I'd looked the date up before).
Ok, so, my Mother was a little over 2 years old when Peter Parker ceased being a high school student. Doesn't really change my point, but its good to be accurate.
It was still an incredibly iconic period of Spider-Man's history responsible for his popularity, his main villains, and one of the artists best associated with the book.
Its weird how he went decades without being ateenager and was still super popular. Actually, I'd say a large percentage of his fans became fans when he was an adult character. Most people who were reading comics between 1965 and 2000, for instance. Who can say what would have happened if Stan Lee had started him out as an adult, he could easily have been just as popular. His adult incarnation is definitely what made the character last, and it is the version of Peter that the majority of people for decades became fans because of, not the short lived teen version.
People trying to act like he is mostly known as a teen hero, or that its the most popular version, are just plain wrong.
The biggest problem was that he had no true motivation for doing anything. One would think with over 50 years of Spider-Man comics (beyond the origin) to use as a template for Parker's behavior (especially the greatest period from 1962 - 1975), that the screenwriters would know how to write Parker to have legitimate motives and crusades. They failed miserably. Oh, they tried to borrow from some comics, but it was "in image only", lacking the heart from those stories.
Zendaya's "M.J." was...whatever. A character with a bad attitude that supposed to be ever-so-edgy (which is a 25 year old stereotype in TV and films). She was not.
Remember, this was the quickie "redemption of Stark" plot after his Asshole Tour in Civil War. The characters is not at all anyone who would draw anyone to his personality, which has been a problem since the first Iron Man movie.
True. This film's Vulture had no sound reason for becoming a villain, and of course, in a ham-fisted way to tie this property in with the MCU, they link his origin to the events of the Avengers.
Homecoming was bad, but nothing was more tailor-made for a flush than the Garfield Spider-Man films, where the so-called hero was mumbling and/or acting as if he was an escapee from the nut house.
If by that you mean they didn't have him constantly angst over dead Uncle Ben...
She was only in the movie for like 10 minutes if you add it all up. Grow a thicker skin.
It's called not making every lead a pristine do gooder with the same flat characterization.
He had a better reason than "Magic gas made me crazy" or "My tentacles are controlling my mind".
Again, not every lead has to be a bland generic do-gooder.
Yawn.
I'm pretty sure there's a thread for Spider-Man Homecoming.
