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Spoilers Captain America: Civil War - Grading & Discussion

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I didn't get the orange slices thing. I didn't see Ant Man, was it something from that movie?


I went on google and found out that oranges slices are usually served during kids games like little league baseball or amateur sports kids play
 
No. Superman had a chance to save lives in Africa and didn't, and he didn't seem to care to make an attempt to save the innocent lives on Capitol Hill, and Batman is a cold blooded killer. There's not much of an ethical code I can respect from any of those sociopaths. I had no investment in neither of them and hoped LuTHOR created a mind altering machine which explained those heroes mental malfunctions.
A bit hyoerbolic, don't you think?

Those people in Africa were killed before Superman arrived. At Congress, Superman was in the room when the bomb exploded and set the room ablaze. There was nothing he could do.

Fair point on Batfleck though. I still feel that Superman was the hero we were supposed to root for in BvS. It's just the whole world was out to tear him down. Batman, Luthor, Senator Finch, the various news outlets, that's a lot to cope with.
 
Zemo was one of the best villains in the franchise, in part because he was so low-key<snip>

So, you liked him because he was "Low-Key" and not "Loki"?

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A bit hyoerbolic, don't you think?

Those people in Africa were killed before Superman arrived. At Congress, Superman was in the room when the bomb exploded and set the room ablaze. There was nothing he could do.
Didn't have to be written that way.
 
Just saw it. Don't have time for long commentary (even if I thought anyone was interested). Gave it an A-. It did what it set out to do very well. But it chose "safe" over "daring". I gave BvS a B+, mostly because of some clunkiness in the pacing and editing, but, of the two, I admire BvS more for the filmmakers' willingness to not "play it safe", at the risk of alienating critics and some viewers.

CW had Spidey pitch-perfect and the movie was more smoothly paced and edited than BvS. These elements gave it the edge in my respective "grading". I enjoyed both, for very different reasons.
 
Rewatching the avengers in 30 min chunks while SWMBO gets ready for bed. Occurs to me that Loki tries to split them up, with conflict in the German forest and again with the mind stone on the heli carrier. This is even pointed out. He knows they're the only thing that can stop him.

It's only coulsons death, and Fury's intervention, that made them realise they needed to assemble.

With the sensible ones (Fury, Pepper) not there to make things right, it easily escalated.
 
I saw the movie yesterday, after a nice dinner with the wife. She hasn't seen all the movies, so some of it was confusing for her, but I thought it was great.

At two and a half hours it was too long for me, and I think it could have been pared down to a leaner, tighter story. Trying to service that many characters just took up too much time away from telling the story.

Bringing in Spider-Man was cool, and I understand why they did it, but it wasn't necessary. They could have saved him for the new movie, and could have done the same intro with Stark and the "it's a long story" thing. But that's just me. I like how they animated the mask's eyes. Good stuff.

One problem I have with the airport fight is Ant-Man going Giant. It was some impressive action, but the whole thing just ended up just being more destruction. Exactly the thing that the Sokovia Accords were meant to prevent. Did they have to bring down the control tower and destroy the airplanes? Who's going to pay for that?

I understand the Accords' intent to prevent more destruction and loss of life, and Stark's wiling participation. What I didn't understand was Cap's blinders about the damage. He's obviously one of the good guys, but there has to be some accountability.

Nick Fury (and SHIELD) used to be the guiding light for the Avengers, but without him they seem to have collectively become a loose cannon. Individually they're probably fine, but together they're a weapon of mass destruction.

I thought Black Panther was really cool, but I wonder how he could run as fast for as long as Cap and Bucky, not being a Super Soldier and all.

Anyway, this is all just first impression off the top of my head. I'm sure there are points I missed, and I might think differently about it in a day or two.
 
Other things that distracted me: Apparently, one of the qualifications for being on Team Cap is to literally wear the official Team Caps: plain, single-color baseball caps. It's like they bought in bulk from the "We're Totally Not Trying To Be Incognito" swap meet.
I love my plain baseball cap! $5.30 on Amazon with free shipping even for non-Prime members. It keeps my head warm and the sun out of my eyes without turning me into a walking billboard, and it's cheap enough that I don't really mind when I inevitably lose it somewhere. In fact, I always have a spare at home for just that purpose. :bolian:

That makes no sense. By the time anyone knew anything was happening the explosion had already happened.
You do realize explosions don't either kill people or not harm them at all, right? There could have been dozens of injured people right outside in the hallway, bleeding out. I don't recall if Supes flew off right away or if it was ambiguous, but there almost certainly would've been people outside the hearing room itself to help.
 
I don't recall if Supes flew off right away or if it was ambiguous

That's the whole problem. You're so desperate to find fault with Superman that ambiguity is being sold as a Superman failure. No evidence of bias there, no sir, nothing to see here, move along. Your criticism isn't based on the movie itself - it's based on an alternative version of the scene that you invented in your imagination.

You're going to have to do better than "I don't recall".
 
Thanks, but I don't think I should have to do a background check on a character in a movie in order to get his story. If I wanted that I'd buy and read the comics, which I don't really have time to do.

But hey, I appreciate the link that I could have found for myself if I was interested enough to look for it. ;)
 
T'Challa's suit may have been Ironmanny, but then Iron Man's suit in the movies does not increase Stark's strength to anything near Superman levels.

The Panther God who grants him strength and heightened senses, in the Cinematic Universe could either be a pretentious Alien like Thor, or a "Demon" like Dormammu, who in himself is only also an extradimensional alien, just like Thor.

There are more than Nine Realms.
 
That's the whole problem. You're so desperate to find fault with Superman that ambiguity is being sold as a Superman failure. No evidence of bias there, no sir, nothing to see here, move along. Your criticism isn't based on the movie itself - it's based on an alternative version of the scene that you invented in your imagination.

You're going to have to do better than "I don't recall".
Lol, wut?! I saw the movie, and I know that, whether or not he immediately flew off, we didn't see him actively checking for survivors, much less helping any. I also rather vividly remember his expression as not being particularly upset (certainly far less so than when he did save three people by killing Zod). I also remember a nonsensical "experimental bullets" plot that goes absolutely nowhere, as well as profoundly idiotic plot points such as Supes not bothering to clean up the world machine/toss it into space in the 18 months that preceded the story. (Hell, it wasn't even under a visible guard, just a wooden post in the water.) And I remember that not once during a save, apart from maybe his girlfriend's, did he crack any kind of smile or appear to be having fun. I also remember the best-ever flying save at the movies by far being Iron Man's Air Force One rescue in IM3. ;)

Whether the movie does or doesn't show Supes immediately blasting away from the Capitol isn't the point. The point is, it was a bad movie for dozens of reasons. Oh, and if the movie doesn't show him immediately departing, thus leaving a gray area in which he might have helped out the survivors? Assuming that help actually happens would be you playing "an alternative version of the scene that you invented in your imagination." :rommie:
 
He likely has the heart shaped herbs from the comics and the various tv shows that amp his abilities.
Watch from 2:57 - 4:07
Sorry, but this was the best quality I could find.
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Reach back for that far you did?

Zemo is the protagonist in the current season of Avengers Assemble.

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For some reason they played out the Thunderbolts story arc REALLY quickly.

No subtly or suspense. :(

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Woooosh!
 
Thanks, but I don't think I should have to do a background check on a character in a movie in order to get his story. If I wanted that I'd buy and read the comics, which I don't really have time to do.

In that case, the answer is: "That's what the solo film is for."
 
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