CANCELLED

[Kaijima]

You know, one possible good thing to come of this: with so much potential plans laid by Coto left untapped, the current Enterprise cast and crew could be worked into a series of feature films to resolve, essentially, the rest of the Ent story. A big budget, wide-canvas film trilogy could actually be the best venue to portray something as big as the Romulan War and birth of the Federation.

 

[Unicron]

I'm sad to hear this. ENT did have its flaws, especially in the earlier seasons, but I think it also improved considerably. I was really hoping it would last at least another season or two, because I believe it could have improved even more.

 

[sadida]

I am not happy about this, although I do understand what people are saying about giving Trek a chance to catch its breath.

However, as I've said on a few different posts today, I don't believe we're going to see anything terribly interesting on Trek as long as RB & BB are in charge.

New blood! New blood!

 

[Lurker]

Sad to see it go, but not surpise either.

 

[anebt2]

Although I was never a fan of Enterprise, I honestly mourn with my fellow Trek fans, at least because no new Trek is going to come out for a very long time--if ever.

I don't think that Paramount will take a chance with a film either, especially a film based on the relatively unknown Enterprise cast.

Well, there were concerns stated by Paramount a year ago with subsequent actions accompanying it (producer ad-ons, time change, etc.) Maybe we didn't see it coming because we were hoping against hope.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

In 1994, Entertainment Weekly magazine released a special Star Trek issue to coincide with the release of Generations. In it, Rick Berman commented on the imminent Voyager premiere by saying something to the effect of "Of course it's possible to make too many trips to the well. Is Voyager that trip? I hope not." In my opinion, VOY was the trip to the well that should never have been made. It was seven years of technobabble plot contrivances, wrinkly-foreheaed Aliens of the Week, characters that never developed, and overall poor writing and execution. The acting and the technical production aspects were top-notch, but good believable stories were few and far between.

Add to that the fact that the franchise hasn't had a good movie since 1996, and the only really good show since TNG (I'm speaking of DS9) was largely ignored and never really promoted, and it's obvious that the franchise was primed for a fall. I feel for the folks who loved Enterprise, but Star Trek is still a marketable comodity, and in a few years when folks start clamoring for it again, we'll have some new Star Trek.

 

[Brendan Moody]

Posted by Mr. Laser Beam:
If by "its own series of novels" you mean "about four or five novels", then maybe you'd have a case. But there is a fairly piss-poor selection of ENT novels, not the hundreds that the other series have.

The other series combined have hundreds. The other series have also been around for many more years than Enterprise. The editors at Pocket Books made a conscious choice to limit the number of Enterprise novels because pf the possibility of novels being undercut by episodes before they were even published (as happened with the novel Surak's Soul), and because of the difficulty of working novels into some of later ENT's arcs. Now that the show seems unlikely to return, the number of (and interest in) ENT novels can only increase. That's one of the few bright spots in all of this.

And who's going to want to write any more ENT novels now that the series is cancelled?

You've made comments like this elsewhere. What on earth makes you think interest in writing ENT novels will decline because the series has stopped producing new episodes? That didn't exactly happen with TOS, or with the shows that went off the air of their own accord.

 

[cubbie]

Posted by Jadzia Dax:

Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.

I think that some folks need to step back and take a breather. I sortof felt this coming more strongly in January when I saw the ratings for ENT "Daedalus" and figured the bubble that the show was riding on had now burst.

I have been highly critical of this show from the 2nd season on and am saddened that now that it is finally addressing some things that should have been addressed during the first season, that it won't see much of that through.

However this does not mean you should completely give up your fandom. The franchise lives on with new adventures in the novels and I urge many of you disenchanted folks to delve into them and get your Trek fix. Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.

Novels cannot replace what I see on the screen. If novels make you happy, go ahead and read it. I gave up on Trek novels a long time ago.

Trek is dead.

 

[Jadzia Dax]

Posted by Mr. Laser Beam:

Posted by Jadzia Dax: Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.

If by "its own series of novels" you mean "about four or five novels", then maybe you'd have a case. But there is a fairly piss-poor selection of ENT novels, not the hundreds that the other series have.

When TOS was cancelled, it took several years before the first book came out by Bantam and subsequent books were few and far between, however they WERE written. As the popularity of Trek grew and Pocketbooks got the contract... and with TNG on the air, the books exploded further, with a monthly rotation of TOS with TNG (I have TNG's first 30 or so books). When DS9 came around, that was rotated in, with the rest, etc. etc.

ENT has only been on the air for 3.5 years. Try to imagine 10 years from now.

And who's going to want to write any more ENT novels now that the series is cancelled?

Huh???? TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY are what? Cancelled. Yet there are hundreds of books that exist for these various series, including books that cover the same era but spin-off characters, as well as books that might focus on one species like the Klingons.

What the heck is stopping someone (other than Simon & Schuster/Pocketbooks) from having say, an Andorian series of novels set in the 22nd century? Or what about the major connection that has now been made between the "Orion Syndicate" as mentioned in DS9 and the actual Orions? That was something that had never been canon until it was brought up in ENT "Borderland", after having been considered iffy at best as a connection (ie., it seems that many fans assumed that the Orions had nothing to do with the Syndicate).

There are many things that can be done here. What is happening in this season 4 will expand the scope of oft-mentioned, but little-fleshed out species multi-fold, giving many tidbits for writers of all the various series' books, some meat to work with.

 

[TRH]

Posted by Galactus:
I for one am glad the show got canceled and was not picked up by anyone else. Oh I liked the show even though it was not perfect, but I will finally get the one thing I have always wanted to see, Star Trek fans getting exactly what they deserve. Anyone that thinks that the franchise is not dead is just dreaming. There will be no new shows or movies made with the Star Trek name for at least 20 years. All those people that have been complaining about ENT and not watching it because they wanted "real Trek" now will have no Trek.

I find it ironic that fans orginally saved the orginal series and franchise, now those same fans killed the franchise. I for one hope Star Trek never comes back again and if it does I hope that it gets the BSG treatment to further punish the "fans".

Oh, brother I know you think you talk to God or something but do you honestly enjoy the possibility of someone's dreams being crushed? I mean, there are a number of ENT fans that just lost theirs and here you are hoping to have more crushed. I don't know what kind of person you are in real life but on the internet you come across as very small minded and very vindictive.

Honestly, I feel a bit like a winner. Its unfortunate but for some reason early on, it became a war between gushers and bashers over this series. I wanted to like it more than I did however I found I didn't like it all that much. I heard the praise for the cast which I found bad (Bakula especially). The stories felt like stories I already knew. The show itself felt more like a bad retread than something fun I expect Trek to be. I didn't choose to be a basher but I couldn't be a gusher. And there seem to be no middle.

So, I'm sorry that folks are losing a series they really liked. I know how that feels (FIREFLY for example). I'm sorry that folks felt hurt because I complained about the show. I also know how that feels (fan of VOYAGER here). But in the end, it was just a show and no matter how you felt about it, it remains just a show. One that's reached its end. Hopefully, its death will improve the franchise overall.

 

[The Dark In Me]

Posted by JKTim:

Posted by The Dark In Me:
Finally. Thank God.

Warning for trolling.

WTF!!! TROLLING!?!? Man, that's just the way I feel about it. I'm GLAD that shit is gone. Maybe now we'll at least have a chance to get some good Star Trek. Damn.

 

[Eurosolo]

DAMN

Well, the long night has come at last...

 

[Jadzia Dax]

Posted by LavianoTS386:

Posted by Jadzia Dax:
I will only remain on this board for the final episodes and then I will not support anything to do with Trek ever again. It's not worth this crap.

I grew up with TOS only to see Trek die, today.

Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.

series #6

And to me of all people who always posts this!

Of course, most don't consider that one canon.

 

[Chip]

Posted by DSG2k:
Feel free to give UPN some feedback on this decision:
http://www.upn.com/info/feedback_form.shtml

Or, contact Paramount:

323-956-5000 (Paramount's posted number) followed by speaking the name David Stapf ("staff") into their voice-recognition system gets you the office of Paramount Network Television president David Stapf. The girl there does not know the complaint procedure, but if they get enough calls I'm sure she'll learn it quickly enough.

The publicly-posted Paramount number also gets one the number of Les Moonves. The voice-recog system freaks and sends you to an operator when you say that name. The operator says that 323-575-2345 gets you the office of Les Moonves. This was given openly with no inquiry as to my need, so it is not secret information.

All of the above took about five minutes on the phone. Even if you're getting robbed by your long-distance provider you can do this for less than a buck.

You can also write Paramount Television at:

Paramount Studios
5555 Melrose Avenue
Hollywood, CA 90038

And I found where SaveEnterprise.com has posted this:

Mr. Leslie Moonves
Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer
CBS Television
CBS Television City
7800 W Beverly Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90036

On your feet, soldiers. It might not do a lick of good in the long run, but let's make sure history remembers the name Enterprise.

I just sent a message to UPN. I told them that they "Were wrong to cancel Enterprise, and that it was getting better." Simple and direct!

 

[Jadzia Dax]

Posted by cubbie866:

Posted by Jadzia Dax:

Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.

I think that some folks need to step back and take a breather. I sortof felt this coming more strongly in January when I saw the ratings for ENT "Daedalus" and figured the bubble that the show was riding on had now burst.

I have been highly critical of this show from the 2nd season on and am saddened that now that it is finally addressing some things that should have been addressed during the first season, that it won't see much of that through.

However this does not mean you should completely give up your fandom. The franchise lives on with new adventures in the novels and I urge many of you disenchanted folks to delve into them and get your Trek fix. Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.

Novels cannot replace what I see on the screen. If novels make you happy, go ahead and read it. I gave up on Trek novels a long time ago.

I hope you will reconsider them one day.

Trek is dead.

It might seem that way right now, but it'll be around forever.

 

[Photoman15]

Posted by James Dixon:
My prayers have come true!

4 years late, but later is better than never or 7 years!

Now is the time to get over E... The "official" publications will dwindle in value, and the classic Fandom-produced publications will Triple in value within the next decade... James T. Dixon's gonna be a rich man!

Doesn't matter. ENTERPRISE is canon and it supercedes anything it contradicts in yours or other fanon chronographies. Whooops.....too late....

 

[andtototoo]

I think this just sucks, but given that UPN is a crap network that has done practically everything it can to kill Trek, I am not surprised. I'm willing to bet if the show were in syndication instead of on this lame network, the show would have more seasons.

 

[IsntDaveOne]

TREK needs a break...like 5 years or something.

like them people who go on Extreme Makeover.....they come out better than ever!

 

[mrcoaster]

Sorry to hear that it's cancelled, but not unexpected. The show was getting better, but the ratings weren't changing. They brought it back for this season in the hopes that maybe some changes would bring in new viewers. At this point, they probably realize that too many viewers might have been alienated early on for the show to start gaining viewers now.

Hey, we got a fourth year out of it that we might not have and it's turning out to be a fairly decent one at that. It's not all doom and gloom out there.

Also, Trek may go on hiatus for a bit, but I really don't think this is any death knell for Trekdom at all. Not a chance.

 

[Galactus]

Posted by TRH:

Posted by Galactus:
I for one am glad the show got canceled and was not picked up by anyone else. Oh I liked the show even though it was not perfect, but I will finally get the one thing I have always wanted to see, Star Trek fans getting exactly what they deserve. Anyone that thinks that the franchise is not dead is just dreaming. There will be no new shows or movies made with the Star Trek name for at least 20 years. All those people that have been complaining about ENT and not watching it because they wanted "real Trek" now will have no Trek.

I find it ironic that fans orginally saved the orginal series and franchise, now those same fans killed the franchise. I for one hope Star Trek never comes back again and if it does I hope that it gets the BSG treatment to further punish the "fans".

Oh, brother I know you think you talk to God or something but do you honestly enjoy the possibility of someone's dreams being crushed? I mean, there are a number of ENT fans that just lost theirs and here you are hoping to have more crushed. I don't know what kind of person you are in real life but on the internet you come across as very small minded and very vindictive.

Honestly, I feel a bit like a winner. Its unfortunate but for some reason early on, it became a war between gushers and bashers over this series. I wanted to like it more than I did however I found I didn't like it all that much. I heard the praise for the cast which I found bad (Bakula especially). The stories felt like stories I already knew. The show itself felt more like a bad retread than something fun I expect Trek to be. I didn't choose to be a basher but I couldn't be a gusher. And there seem to be no middle.

So, I'm sorry that folks are losing a series they really liked. I know how that feels (FIREFLY for example). I'm sorry that folks felt hurt because I complained about the show. I also know how that feels (fan of VOYAGER here). But in the end, it was just a show and no matter how you felt about it, it remains just a show. One that's reached its end. Hopefully, its death will improve the franchise overall.

I am more interested in why you feel the need to respond to all my posts. As to the points you made I was directing my posts more to the people that have been campaigning for the demise of the show since the beginning. The people that thought when ENT was gone they were going to get their "real Trek" whatever the hell that is.

Face it Star Trek fans have no equal. They are the only fanbase that I know of that would actually campaign to have one of its shows canceled. They only likes parts of the franchise and some seem to like no part of the franchise yet want to call themselves fans. There is a reason people don't just yell out, I am a Star Trek fan.

I watched ENT every week since it came on, I will miss it now that it is gone, but I stand behind the statement that the franchise as awhole has gotten exactly what it deserves, no new onscreen Star Trek.