CANCELLED

[TRH]

Posted by Galactus:
Face it Star Trek fans have no equal. They are the only fanbase that I know of that would actually campaign to have one of its shows canceled. They only likes parts of the franchise and some seem to like no part of the franchise yet want to call themselves fans. There is a reason people don't just yell out, I am a Star Trek fan.

Trek fans have been terribly lucky. We've had a glut of Trek to pick and choose from. Of course with so much you will get to a point where even fans are seeing that its too much. I know who you're talking about and they have a right to complain. To try to get the show cancelled. In the end, he probably had no affect on the final decision but if TPTB would listen to the criticism (not just from Trek fans, it was coming from everywhere) about what was wrong with this series early on, this cancellation might have been avoided.

So, if Trek never appears again, that's not a bad thing. Because what takes its place will learn from Trek's lessons. There are years and years of material to see where mistakes were. I really believe that if there is a next time a sizable portion of the fanbase turns its back on the current product, TPTB will look a little more closely. When ratings keep heading south, they'll attempt more than just a costume change for its current hot chick. At least that's what I want for Trek's future. Not just more of the same with the same lack of understanding what's wrong with the franchise. Its tired because those behind it are tired. And Trek fans aren't something to take for granted. They might like SG-1 enough to turn that channel again.

I just hope some in the fanbase keep their heads and don't send death threats to LM. That always gives us a bad name.

 

[ralph]

We, in Brazil, are very sad.
Enterprise is in the 3º season here.

But it was not surprise.

The only good thing in this show was Manny Coto.

Trek needs a break.
And maybe come back in 02 or 03 years with a good project, without B&B.

 

[cubbie]

Brent, there is constructive and destructive criticism. I am quite capable of differentiating between the two. There was a lot of destructive criticism of Enterprise.

I have given up on Stargate SG-1 and find Stargate Atlantis silly. I no longer watch either. But I don't go around the various boards calling for the cancellation of either show nor do I post negative threads about either.

You are right about not reading the forums if I don't want to read the destructive criticism.

I just won't care the next time.

 

[Anna Yolei]

I just hope some in the fanbase keep their heads and don't send death threats to LM. That always gives us a bad name.

Damn straight. People have the notion that Trek fans will eat up anything with Trek in the title...and today is proof that this is not the case.

*sigh* This is one of only two shows in my whole life that I looked forward to every week. Oddly enough, that other show got four seasons as well, but that season was utter crap, and I was more than relieved to find it had been cancelled.

Still...it wasn't as big a franchise as Star Trek is. I'm sure Entertainment Tonight will do a story about it's cancellation sometime in the next two week...I will be highly surprised if ENT goes off the airwaves without some sort of recognition outside the Internet.

 

[T'Bonz]

I'm disappointed that it was cancelled.

The problem was, the many who tuned in at the beginning were turned off by the early mediocrity.

The show really improved over time, S3 and especially S4. But attempts to get the viewers back who had given up were futile, I know that I tried to convince several people. One, my daughter, said "I got tired of the "oh, let's have Trip run around in his undies and let's have the decontam rubdown every week."

This from a devoted DS9 fan and someone who watched VOY until they screwed the fans with the lousy ending.

I'm grateful for the show, for the attempts (successfully) to turn it around to a good show.

But when they put it on Friday night, date night for the core audience, I knew it was doomed.

And the syndication announcement the other day was the final nail in the coffin.

Screw Paramount. They're Ferengi, greedy and stupid. And UPN? Ugh. Trek was the only show I watched on that garbage station. Hope it fails.

Thanks to the writers, the actors and those associated with the show. It's a pity that ENT was truncated.

And gee, I'll miss our weekly "new episode" thread. That was great fun

Bah.

 

[Capn Flukie]

Posted by cubbie866:

Posted by Brent:

Posted by cubbie866:

Posted by Jadzia Dax:

Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.

I think that some folks need to step back and take a breather. I sortof felt this coming more strongly in January when I saw the ratings for ENT "Daedalus" and figured the bubble that the show was riding on had now burst.

I have been highly critical of this show from the 2nd season on and am saddened that now that it is finally addressing some things that should have been addressed during the first season, that it won't see much of that through.

However this does not mean you should completely give up your fandom. The franchise lives on with new adventures in the novels and I urge many of you disenchanted folks to delve into them and get your Trek fix. Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.

Novels cannot replace what I see on the screen. If novels make you happy, go ahead and read it. I gave up on Trek novels a long time ago.

Trek is dead.

Trek lives on in syndication!

And there is always hope for future series.

What you don't understand is that I will not support any future movies or series. I watched something I enjoyed attacked constantly by so called "fans" and usually for the silliest, tritest, most mundane reasons. I won't put myself through that again. I don't care if there is another movie or show. This Trek fan has given up on Trek.

I'm with you 100%, cubbie. I've been watching Trek since around 1970 and it's time to set aside an old friend. The hopefulnees that I once loved about Star Trek is gone. Now everything has to be 'dark, gritty, dirty, etc'. Star Trek may not be dead, but my loyalty to it is.

Well, I have to figure what to do on Friday nights.

 

[Captain Ice]

Bah indeed.

people forget that both DS9 and TNG were crap their first two seasons as well, and only came into their prime in season four. I do hope that someone over at SciFi or Spike is paying attention and snaps this up.

 

[flcat]

What would be really funny is to see a network like NBC (that ran original broadcasts of TOS) pick it up for a season or two.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Re: CANCELLED - WHAT??????????????

Posted by ShimmeringNebula:
At least they've given the actors time to go out and find new shows to work on during pilot season. Plus, everyone now knows that the end is here, and can (hopefully) write a fitting finale.

Didn't Manny Coto say that Berman & Braga were doing the last episode...? If so -- oooooohhhh boy! (and not in a way i'm excited about)

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

Posted by adventurer:
this is how i feel about les mooneves

Posted by adventurer:
you dont really want me to answer that do you

Posted by adventurer:
this is merely anger so i dont want to draw a warning

les mooneves died feb 3 2005

Posted by adventurer:
technically of course i was out of line. first of all let me stress the caps button is jammed so turn a blind eye to all lower case letters. what upn sanctioned today made me so perturbed that i had to vent. if i seriously vented how i felt there would be a array of four letter curses, malevolent cliches etc. i am educated so i am disappointed and while i obviously dont wish les moonves ill will, i still am annoyed

Posted by adventurer:
ok sorry. do you want that post excised

Posted by adventurer:
ok, i will. very few things upset me in life except of course serious recriminations . this qualifies as one. a million emotions enter into the picture when a man makes a decision based on his own views. now i think enterprise from the get go was filled with quality, hell im one of the few who actually enjoyed tpols foray into learning to experience humancharacteristics. however this is what happens when brannon braga and rick berman think they know better than the fans . some individuals dont listen to reason, they have to learn the hard way. well rick berman and brannon braga learned the hard way

Posted by adventurer:
no, but i seriously doubt rick berman and brannon braga will be allowed a mile near star trek

Posted by adventurer:
i have a pretty good record here, generally ive been civil and allowing of each others opinoins, but i am upset now. i have a detailed idea of what id like to do to les mooneves

Posted by adventurer:
thanks. i dont understand why he has a devil may care attitude toward us. shit jolene blalock should tell him where to go

Posted by adventurer:
in my opinoin, the new battlestar galactica doesnt come close to encroaching the qullity of enterprise

Posted by adventurer:
i bet hell receive quite a litany of hate mail

Posted by adventurer:
and this is what gets renewed, please. todays producers wouldnt know good science fiction if it smacked them in the face. the people who sanction this drivel need to be shot

Posted by adventurer:
i may post a detailed analysis later of what i would like to do to les mooneves. i wish but he needs to be raked over the coals

Posted by adventurer:
its all right. just les mooneves better hope i dont get near him

Posted by adventurer:
in my opinoin, the new battlestar galactica is off to a good start, but i want to see the cylons reasons for turning against us, what are their motivations, their philosophies. if they address those questions fine otherwise cancel that too

Posted by adventurer:
no. at least ron moore is writing the show, so it has a chance. i hope les mooneves cringes when upn is a memory and he cries

Posted by adventurer:
and while were at it he can say he is a mother fucking bitch for cancelling a show that was beginning to exude signs of improvement. be honest say you dont give a fuck about the fans

Posted by adventurer:
all right, ill chill out. its tough though , i mean i am hurt, angry, and do want to post that analysis. i will not do it, but this is annoying.

Posted by adventurer:
i think les mooneves knew from storm front part one that this was it

Posted by adventurer:
hi. what especially perturbs me is that enterprise was improving this season. now most of the trekkers probably felt for instance the way tpol was portrayed last year was riduculous, i didnt.

i hate moonves for not caring about the fans, but worse manny coto finally made enterprise feel like a prequel and this is what we get . i seriously hate moonves guts . i mean granted there is other science fiction out there that is thought provoking but to have enterprise ended is hurtful.

i of course pride myself on being a rational human being but right now i am livid, and while i knew this was coming i hate the man who basically pulled the plug

Posted by adventurer:
well i right now plan to get a array of darts right now and throw them at a poster of les mooneves

Posted by adventurer:
thats what happens when you have fuckheads running the franchise

Posted by adventurer:
you know what , fuck it . this will probably engender a warning, and possibly suspension, but i dont care. i am fucking pissed off and while i dont mean any of these rantings, i feel i have to vent. bear in mind i would not do this to les mooneves.

february 3 2005 a white ford is rapidly traversing around wilshire boulevard careening at eighty. the time is 335 pm. les mooneves who just recently cancelled enterprise and is elated is startled at first/ he dismisses the screechings of the white ford as some driver making a sharp maneuver . three seconds later he turns around only to have himself ascended eighty feet in the air courtesy of the ford hitting him at eighty miles per hour. mooneves falls on the ground in obvious pian. the assislant takes a bat and proceeds to smash it over moonves head until his head splits open like a grapefruit . he then sets moonves on fire , and then subsequently vaporizes him with a phaser, recently invented

Posted by adventurer:
these are just rantings. i think i will chill out now. i admit this isnt like me , and while i am not violent still i had to vent. i am hurt but the old me will surface. it still stings. obviously when Trek was initially cancelled, it flourished

Posted by adventurer:
i felt though i had to seethe. oh we are all in pain big time , some of us are subtle about it, others vehement

Posted by adventurer:
well im done being irrational

Anything else you'd like to add?

 

[Kira's Mom]

And gee, I'll miss our weekly "new episode" thread. That was great fun

I agree, T'Bonz...I think that's what I'm really gonna miss...I'm finally home on the nights ENT is on, and the show's cancelled. The running commentary is so much fun. No one else in my family liked ENT, so it's nice to have people to share it with as it happens...ah, well, I still have the Lost running commentaries on Wednesday...the rare times I'm home.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to miss all the Reed Rage and Tucker worship threads. *goes to put Les Moonves on the burning altar to the Great Tucker God* The Great Tucker God demands a sacrifice!!!

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by Brent:

Posted by 1701-A:
What am I going to do now!? Ugh. Latter '05 will be the first time in how many years w/out Trek? Wow, no hockey, no Trek....

broaden your SCIFI horizons maybe?

there's a lot of good stuff out there

Actually, I've been pretty disappointed with what's been on television this year, and this is really one of the first years in a while that I've been able to watch on a regular basis.

Between all the lolly-pantsing that the FCC has caused the studios and such to tuck their heads under their asses, well, has probably stifled creativity somewhat.

There were some great things on television in the past years -- The Wire, for one (HBO) was an outstanding show that got cancelled for a variety of reasons, good and bad. Enterprise wasn't the best show on tv by any means, but it was coming in on its own -- a few hours after the news hit, I've gone from shock to agreement, because I felt it coming a long time ago.

And take this from someone who's watched a LOT of television shows (although not all legally). Shows come, shows go. We're in a bit of a dry spell right now, but hopefully a new generation will come about with some wonderful television ideas. And we'll be there to watch when they finally get off of this reality craze.

 

[Guest]

Well, I guess the only thing we can do now is to really push for another station to pick up the show next season.

*Keeps Fingers Crossed*

 

[alphaboi867]

Posted by flcat:
What would be really funny is to see a network like NBC (that ran original broadcasts of TOS) pick it up for a season or two.

It would be ironic, but it ain't gonna happen. A major network wouldn't go near a show with ENT's ratingsand production cost. Even a network like SciFi wouldn't (They need Sky One's help to make 13 eps of BSG). I can see a major net like NBC or CBS airing a Star Trek mini-series or TV movie.

 

[Guest]

Right now, the Entertainment page on Yahoo News links to three stories about Enterprise's cancellation. Sounds pretty negative, I know. But at least someone has noticed.

This gets attention, and even bad publicity is better than none. Maybe some people will check out the DVDs or syndicated reruns out of curiosity.

No one would notice another season of Enterprise - it would be more declining ratings, and more of the same old same old from the industry's POV. Follow up with another series next season? Again, more of the same. Few would notice, fewer would care. Sadly, it seems that it doesn't matter how good Enterprise gets at this point -- it's just not going to draw the audience that would make it worthwhile for TPTB to keep investing in it.

But when Series VI, or another movie, or whatever project is announced in a few years, it'll actually be news. There will be buzz. And if the project is actually, you know, good, that'll be just the shot in the arm the franchise needs. (Let's hope Paramount keeps Manny Coto's number on file.)

 

[derefed]

This has truely been a shock. I really didn't expect the news so quickly. I hopped on to TrekToday as I normally do throughout the day ... saw the article heading about something to do with getting Enterprise to another network in the wake of cancellation ... at this point I still hadn't fully realized it yet -- that is, till I saw the previous article: UPN Cancels Star Trek: Enterprise.

I'm slowly starting to realize it and what it means, and I'm sure I won't fully for a while. The show had it's ups and downs, and I personally enjoyed S3 and S4 very much. It really is a shame to put an end to it right when it's really improving and surpassing our expectations for the show and modern Trek in general.

But as others have said, it is definately nice for it to be going out with a bang (unlike the slow and gradual death that SG-1 will probably suffer from ).

To a glorius and honorable death.
Today was a good day to die.

R.I.P. Enterprise, may your memory live on through the DVD purchases and TV recordings of your fans.

 

[FrontLine]

I jsut saw the news. All I can say is that even though the writing has been on the wall I was hoping beyond hope that Manny Coto would be able to save the show.

 

[KeptinChris]

Sorry if this has been posted already. This thread is growing faster than I can read it.

A couple good things out of it.......

Soon we'll get juicy behind the scenes details/stories.

Enterprise could be the savior with it's "sacrifice." Maybe (hopefully) the upperPTB will clean house for the next Trek incarnation.

Sorry again to all Ent. fans.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Posted by Captain Ice:
Bah indeed.

people forget that both DS9 and TNG were crap their first two seasons as well, and only came into their prime in season four. I do hope that someone over at SciFi or Spike is paying attention and snaps this up.

The thing is, the second seasons of those show were an improvement over the first, especially with TNG. I think the ratings could have been salvageable had Bermaga not gone the T&A route and done the types of stories that we are getting today. "Observer Effect" could have been done in season two, as could have something with the Tellarites and Andorians. TPTB could have done way more character stroeis than they did.

Looking back at my knowledge of TNG, I don't think those stories were that much fresher when they were aired either. The fans merely cared more about the TNG cast than for ENT, and rightfully so, IMO. The first time Travis has gotten the spotlight since mid season two, and he was under an alien influence.

 

[KIRK1ADM]

This is very sad news indeed. Unfortunately it is not unexpected. Many of us have known for a while that Enterprise (due in large part to inadequate creators and producers ie. Berman and Braga) has been less than what I as a Star Trek fan expect from a Star Trek production.

I think that there has been improvement this season with B&B getting out of the way. Unfortunately when the show is in a hospice situation there is only so much you can do before the vital organs begin to shutdown.

I guess Berman can feel proud and happy. He's contributed to the demise of the TV franchise the same way he saw to the demise of the movie franchise.