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Posted by cubbie866:
I feel exactly like you do. I will only remain on this board for the final episodes and then I will not support anything to do with Trek ever again. It's not worth this crap.
I grew up with TOS only to see Trek die, today.
I disagree that Trek will die.
I had no idea Mooneves had so much power. One man cancelling Enterprise, that I can understand and in time could learn to accept. But one man has the power to say "no more Trek"?!?! That's not only wrong...that's power run amok. This man deserves, and I'm sure will get, lots of strongly worded mail in the next few weeks.
This sucks. This really sucks.
Posted by Lanzman:
In 1966 I was five years old, sitting in front of a black and white television watching a weird guy with pointed ears doing cool stuff on a spaceship. There were monsters that sometimes were too scary to watch.
Star Trek went to syndication as soon as NBC cancelled it and I saw those same episodes over and over and over. I then watched, overjoyed, as the animated series debuted on Saturday mornings.
That got killed too, and has almost never been rerun, tho I understand it's soon to be released on DVD.
Then Star Wars hit and Hollywood, ever the incestuous dung-heap, cast frantically about for other properties they hoped would draw in the dollars. Lo and behold, Star Trek: The Motion Picture arrived. It was glorious and disappointing at the same time.
More movies followed, and then The Next Generation. Joy!! It took a couple seasons to find its feet, but it remains the second-best of the Trek series, eclipsed only by the original.
More movies.
Then Deep Space Nine. Incredible!!
Then, unfortunately, the atrocious Voyager. It was clear about halfway thru the first season that the people now entrusted with Star Trek had run out of steam. Voyager went from bad to worse over its seven years.
Suddenly there was new hope. A prequel series, Enterprise. Birth of the Federation! First contact with the Klingons! The Romulan war!
Three or four episodes in, it was plain that the management had no clue what they were doing. Continuity violations, contradictions of established Trek lore, recycled Voyager stories . . . it was a mess. It had potential, but that potential was sadly unrealized. A great cast was being poorly used.
Rumors of cancellation. Would there be a third season, or a fourth? Turns out there would be, probably to reach the "magic 100" episode mark for syndication. Fourth season, deliverance!! Manny Coto comes along and shows the creatively bankrupt Berman and Braga how good the show could be.
Too late. Plummeting ratings and the alienation of Star Trek's loyal core of fans had done too much damage. Cancelled, this time for real.
You know what? Good. The franchise needs to rest. It needs to be pried away from B&B, lie fallow for a season, and find new strength. I'm thinking three to five years of no new Trek movies or TV shows might give everyone the break they need to come back with new ideas, new approaches, fresh energy. There's people out there who will be like dammed-up rivers with no outlet, bubbling over with ideas that they will have time to refine and plan out properly. When Star Trek comes back (and it will, it's far too great a revenue machine to lie unused for too long), it will be renewed and strong. Freed of past missteps, entrusted to new management with bold new ideas.
It will be great again.
No, better.
It will be glorious.
Trust me.
I completely agree.
Posted by cubbie866:
Novels cannot replace what I see on the screen. If novels make you happy, go ahead and read it. I gave up on Trek novels a long time ago.Posted by Jadzia Dax:
Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.
I think that some folks need to step back and take a breather. I sortof felt this coming more strongly in January when I saw the ratings for ENT "Daedalus" and figured the bubble that the show was riding on had now burst.
I have been highly critical of this show from the 2nd season on and am saddened that now that it is finally addressing some things that should have been addressed during the first season, that it won't see much of that through.
However this does not mean you should completely give up your fandom. The franchise lives on with new adventures in the novels and I urge many of you disenchanted folks to delve into them and get your Trek fix. Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.
Trek is dead.
Trek lives on in syndication!
And there is always hope for future series.
RRRRRRAAA!!!!!!RRRAAA!!!!!!! >>>>>_<<<< Enterprise was one of the best. I'll miss it badly. I already sent something to UPN.
I wonder how much the ratings fell over the past couple years because folks with nothing beter to do decided to STEAL and download the episodes instead of watching them.
Illegal Downloading = Lower ratings drops.
Hell, I can name at least 20 people on this BBS who've downloaded Enterprise episodes over the years.
Illegal downloading killed Star Trek.
Thanks everyone.
Illegal Downloading = Lower ratings drops.
Hell, I can name at least 20 people on this BBS who've downloaded Enterprise episodes over the years.
Illegal downloading killed Star Trek.
Thanks everyone.
Amen Brother!
Then perhaps you missed a little show called "Galactica 1980" and the fan reception to that?
Well again, I bring up the BSG issue because not only has that become contentious within the Trek fandom, with the silly digs between the shows, the likes of which haven't been seen since the ST vs SW wars (which are still going on), but within the BSG fandom itself with respect to this remake show.
Trek is not the first show to have spin-offs and sequels that had groups who followed certain ones. It just so happens that the explosion of the 'net has made the discontent more "public" and "visible". But shows ranging from "Dick Van Dyke" and its spin-offs "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", etc., through to "Happy Days" and "Laverne and Shirley" and their spin-offs... have had people who preferred one over the other or liked all of them. It's just the nature of a fandom.
Well... I think that once the dust settles, a certain clarity of thought and options will prevail among individuals within the fandom.
Posted by JohnM:
I wonder how much the ratings fell over the past couple years because folks with nothing beter to do decided to STEAL and download the episodes instead of watching them.
Illegal Downloading = Lower ratings drops.
Hell, I can name at least 20 people on this BBS who've downloaded Enterprise episodes over the years.
Illegal downloading killed Star Trek.
Thanks everyone.
Probably an exaggeration. Even if you download an episode, that doesn't mean you don't still watch it on the TV.
Anyway's, I thought it was only the people with Neilson boxes that have the real power?
BTW, I've never downloaded an Enterprise episode. If I can't make it at the time it comes on I setup the VCR.
I don't think Moonves and UPN deserve quite the hatred people are throwing out here. Yeah, the show could have gotten a bit more pub., but other shows have done better with less. The fact is, it was an expensive show and ranked 102-108 overall on a regular basis. While we like to think of it as our show and that they should cancel it or renew it based on quality, the reality is that it's a business in an entertainment industry.
If something is expensive and not bringing in the returns you want...and it doesn't seem likely to grow at this point...then sometimes the difficult decision to cancel it is made. I doubt they were just dying to cancel the show.
As others have mentioned, compared to Firefly and a few others, Enterprise had a nice run of four years. The powers were kind enough to at least let the crew know at this point so they can prepare a proper send-off. Sure beats a cancellation after the show's already ended.
Enjoy the ride to the end and buy the DVDs and re-live the eps you loved the last few years. It's always disappointing to see a show end, but just as many people fell in love with Enterprise, there's some other very cool show just around the corner that you don't even know you're going to discover.
If something is expensive and not bringing in the returns you want...and it doesn't seem likely to grow at this point...then sometimes the difficult decision to cancel it is made. I doubt they were just dying to cancel the show.
As others have mentioned, compared to Firefly and a few others, Enterprise had a nice run of four years. The powers were kind enough to at least let the crew know at this point so they can prepare a proper send-off. Sure beats a cancellation after the show's already ended.
Enjoy the ride to the end and buy the DVDs and re-live the eps you loved the last few years. It's always disappointing to see a show end, but just as many people fell in love with Enterprise, there's some other very cool show just around the corner that you don't even know you're going to discover.
What you don't understand is that I will not support any future movies or series. I watched something I enjoyed attacked constantly by so called "fans" and usually for the silliest, tritest, most mundane reasons. I won't put myself through that again. I don't care if there is another movie or show. This Trek fan has given up on Trek.Posted by Brent:
Posted by cubbie866:
Novels cannot replace what I see on the screen. If novels make you happy, go ahead and read it. I gave up on Trek novels a long time ago.Posted by Jadzia Dax:
Well geez... If some of us old-timers had felt that way, we wouldn't be here today bemoaning the loss of series #5.
I think that some folks need to step back and take a breather. I sortof felt this coming more strongly in January when I saw the ratings for ENT "Daedalus" and figured the bubble that the show was riding on had now burst.
I have been highly critical of this show from the 2nd season on and am saddened that now that it is finally addressing some things that should have been addressed during the first season, that it won't see much of that through.
However this does not mean you should completely give up your fandom. The franchise lives on with new adventures in the novels and I urge many of you disenchanted folks to delve into them and get your Trek fix. Certainly ENT has its own series of novels that have and will continue the adventures of that crew and that show.
Trek is dead.
Trek lives on in syndication!
And there is always hope for future series.
Posted by JohnM:
I wonder how much the ratings fell over the past couple years because folks with nothing beter to do decided to STEAL and download the episodes instead of watching them.
Illegal Downloading = Lower ratings drops.
Hell, I can name at least 20 people on this BBS who've downloaded Enterprise episodes over the years.
Illegal downloading killed Star Trek.
Thanks everyone.
Well, I have to disagree with this. Some of us are outside of the US and don't get to see the show for up to a year after you people. So what does it bloody matter if my friends and I utilise technology to see episodes earlier than that because we're just that devoted as fans? We'd watch it through official channels if we could.
As for the cancellation...I'm just completely numb right now. Damn. I hate the thought of being in a world without Star Trek. Trek has been on the air continuously my entire life. I really mean it when I say I've been a Trekkie all my life, it's just always been there. And now...
Just...damn.
Well, that is your decision of course.
What you call silly etc... is all relative. A fan is a fan is a fan. That doesn't mean a fan can't give constructive criticism to a show.
Sometimes I'm pretty harsh on SG or Atlantis because I love it so much. I don't want to see it turn out bad, so i'm critical of it, but I do it out of love for the show.
Also, you don't have to read forums to see what people are saying about a show. You can ignore things if you really don't like them.
A true fan would never give up, IMO. At that point they no longer become a fan of the show.
Don't let other people get you down.
If you liked Enterprise say so, say what you liked, morn it, and be optimistic about a resurrection that is fitting to the name "Star Trek".
I look toward the future, and hope that one day there will be a new Star Trek series for my children, something they can grow up with, as I grew up with TNG.
Can't say this was unexpected, but even when you see it coming, it is still a bit of shock. In retrospect...
For me, TOS is Star Trek. Always has been, always will be. Everything since has pretty much been poor second cousins. I will admit, however, that after a very poor start, I did come to enjoy TNG. Although it had a strong first episode, DS9 as a series never really grabbed me. I guess B5 had more of what I was looking for in that kind of show. I thought Voyager had the most intriguing concept for a Trek show since TOS. However, it was executed so poorly, that I rarely watched past its first season. I stuck with Enterprise through its first two seasons and a half seasons. I'll admit I liked it a lot better than Voyager, but like that show, it squandered a lot of its potential (I think the lame Trip-T'Pol romance was the final nail in the coffin for me).
Perhaps it is time to give the Trek universe a long rest. I think most of its fans are jaded. Most seem to have their own ideas of what Trek should be, and no two seem to be the same.
I do think those fans who were rooting for the demise of Enterprise since its beginning are going to be sorry. Trek isn't cheap to produce...and unless we have another big boom of sci-fi or fantasy (either on TV or at the movies -- like Star Wars in the late 70s), it will be a veeeery long time before we see Trek on the little or big screen again.
For me, TOS is Star Trek. Always has been, always will be. Everything since has pretty much been poor second cousins. I will admit, however, that after a very poor start, I did come to enjoy TNG. Although it had a strong first episode, DS9 as a series never really grabbed me. I guess B5 had more of what I was looking for in that kind of show. I thought Voyager had the most intriguing concept for a Trek show since TOS. However, it was executed so poorly, that I rarely watched past its first season. I stuck with Enterprise through its first two seasons and a half seasons. I'll admit I liked it a lot better than Voyager, but like that show, it squandered a lot of its potential (I think the lame Trip-T'Pol romance was the final nail in the coffin for me).
Perhaps it is time to give the Trek universe a long rest. I think most of its fans are jaded. Most seem to have their own ideas of what Trek should be, and no two seem to be the same.
I do think those fans who were rooting for the demise of Enterprise since its beginning are going to be sorry. Trek isn't cheap to produce...and unless we have another big boom of sci-fi or fantasy (either on TV or at the movies -- like Star Wars in the late 70s), it will be a veeeery long time before we see Trek on the little or big screen again.
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