Can non-Klingons go to Sto-Vo-Kor?

[plynch]

1. I like how batshit crazy is really becoming a phrase. It's funny even tho (or maybe because, Dr. Freud?) I'm a bataphobe. I like it lately applied to extremists of a certain party.

2. I forgot item two.

3. Oh, as a former pastor and one who still believes there is sometong real to the spiritual besides merely our thoughts about it, I HATEHATEHATE how Berman era Trek equates religion with candles and mumbo jumbo and demagoguery. Especially the candles and mumbo jumbo stuff. All other words in Bajoran are translated for us audience members until somebody does religion. Then it's OWA-TAGU-SIAM, etc.

4. Ranting done.

 

[Paradon]

Maybe in heaven...anything is possible. There's not limit. Maybe in heaven...dogs are as smart as people and humans as as strong as Klingons...and Species 8472 were easily assimilated and Janeway made it back to earth in only a fraction of the time...wait that did happened. [chuckle]

 

[Paradon]

Jadzia has a warrior's heart. She is definitely in Sto-Vo-Kor!

 

[T'Girl]

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Kirk got a Sto-Vo-Kor ticket as well.

Given how many Klingons Kirk likely sent to Sto-Vo-Kor, that might be a interesting existence for him.

This question presupposes that Sto-Vo-Kor actually exists in the ST reality.

As real as the Nexus, or the Prophet's realm.

Likewise the wormhole aliens / Prophets of Bajor aren't true "gods" just another example of life Jim but not as we know it.

They're supernatural as in being an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe.

Existing simultaneously at all point in time, they would be omniscience.

Bajorans have the Prophets / Pah wraiths. ALL of them. It's the ONLY religion any bajoran has.

That would be two religions, not one. Worship of the Prophets, and separately worship of the Pah wraiths. if there are any Bajorian atheists, that would be a third belief system.

The ONLY religion that ANY Klingons believe in. And once again the ALL believe in it

Chancellor Gowron didn't seem to believe in the whole Kahless will return thing. And Kang (in day of the dove) professed a disbelief in Gre'thor (hell), perhaps being atheist at that time in his life.

the apparant monoreligious nature of Klingons, and indeed many species in ST

The polythesist religion of Spock's family, and the temple region of Tuvok's family could very well be two different faiths. The Vulcan people could have a wide multitude of religions, it would only be logical.

 

[Admiral Shran]

3. Oh, as a former pastor and one who still believes there is sometong real to the spiritual besides merely our thoughts about it, I HATEHATEHATE how Berman era Trek equates religion with candles and mumbo jumbo and demagoguery. Especially the candles and mumbo jumbo stuff. All other words in Bajoran are translated for us audience members until somebody does religion. Then it's OWA-TAGU-SIAM, etc.

At least DS9 did a much better job at religion than VOY did, with the whole Tribe Hollywood stuff with Chakotay. Seriously, would it have killed them to do some research and make him a part of a real Native American tribe?

 

[Timo]

Probably it would. Imagine the backlash!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Why would they WANT to?

Beats me. Klingon heaven is like being forced to live in Quark's bar, according to him.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Probably it would. Imagine the backlash!

Timo Saloniemi

If they treated the culture with respect, I can't see why there would be a backlash.

But maybe I'm giving the VOY writers too much credit.

 

[plynch]

3. Oh, as a former pastor and one who still believes there is sometong real to the spiritual besides merely our thoughts about it, I HATEHATEHATE how Berman era Trek equates religion with candles and mumbo jumbo and demagoguery. Especially the candles and mumbo jumbo stuff. All other words in Bajoran are translated for us audience members until somebody does religion. Then it's OWA-TAGU-SIAM, etc.

At least DS9 did a much better job at religion than VOY did, with the whole Tribe Hollywood stuff with Chakotay. Seriously, would it have killed them to do some research and make him a part of a real Native American tribe?

Ow! Thanks a lot. I just heard the generic Indian flute music and Beltran's wooden voice talking about his boyhood and some "sacred" thing.

 

[Admiral Shran]

A-koo-chee-moya. We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers. We are far from the bones of my people.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

This question presupposes that Sto-Vo-Kor actually exists in the ST reality.

Which given the original Roddenberian "religion = bullshit" bent of ST is a big if.

Well, except for those "original" episodes in which God (probably of Christianity) is implied to still be believed in, like "Who Mourns for Adonis," "Bread and Circuses," "The Empath," and "The Ultimate Computer."

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Apart from numerous "Oh my God" and "May God help us all" utterances.