For me...
Macross = ****
Southern Cross = *
New Generation = ****
Shadow Chronicles = ****
Can anyone direct me to a good Robotech forum?
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For me...
Macross = ****
Southern Cross = *
New Generation = ****
Shadow Chronicles = ****
I enjoyed Shadow Chronicles, for the most part, but it didn't feel like it really moved the story forward. I think it could have been better as a OVA series, more time to flesh things out.
darkwing_duck1
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Well, you have to understand that SC is essentailly a movie-length pilot. Several parties had expressed interests in a new Robotech series, but they were a little leery of the show as presented and wanted some significant changes. The producers decided to go ahead as a "feature" to tell the story they wanted their way. The idea was to show the feature to any future potential buyers as "proof of concept"...
Oh I know the story behind Shadow Chronicles, I was following the project since when it was "Robotech: 3000" and "Robotech: 3k"-- which got as far as a trailer and some concept art air and died a quiet death, and Shadow Chronicles was brought in. But the point is that Shadow Chronicles is a weaker product than it could have been. Not to mention sort of pissing on what has been the "canon" for the franchise in the years prior.
They could have taken "Prelude To the Shadow Chronicles" and made it a webseries or even a OVA and had, IMO, a much better product. Then again, I've been hoping they would make End of the Circle into an animated feature.
As for a "new" Robotech series, Macek and HG have been promising that since the 1980s. Along with the whole "Robotech: Odyssey" concept that was announced with/around the time of Sentinels with the plan to make the franchise a temporal loop.
We had some great Robotech discussion boards back on AOL in the mid-90's, before Robotech.com came along. There were definitely Macross purists, but we had more fun arguing between the Robotech TV purists and the McKinney fans and the comic books. Ahh, those were the days. 
I don't really get all the hate towards the show itself. I agree that Harmony Gold should lighten up on the whole "we own everything Macross" attitude, but really, that has no reflection on the show itself. It was revolutionary for its time. At the same time that GI Joe had parachutes coming out of every airplane that was shot down, Robotech killed off background pilots, main pilots, and 70% of the Earth! Take THAT, Snake Eyes! (And no offense meant, darkwing_duck1
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Okay, so the anime was rewritten and protoculture was changed from the first society to an energy source. So what? Macross DYRL is a change from the Macross TV series too. Macross 7 shows flashbacks of Macross TV events that didn't happen in DYRL, but makes them look like DYRL! I don't see why the Robotech timeline can't just be another parallel Macross timeline. It's not like you can't get legal subtitled versions of all three shows now. So really, what's the harm in letting Robotech fans actually enjoy it? (No offense meant to you, Theonethatis!)
Personally, the only thing I really didn't like from Robotech was Robotech: The Movie, and there's nothing from Macross that I didn't like (although I am a little lukewarm towards Macross II and Macross Zero). The all live happily together in my little world and I'm a fan of all of them, and I welcome all fans of all of them as well. Just leave the hate at the door, please!
I don't really get all the hate towards the show itself. I agree that Harmony Gold should lighten up on the whole "we own everything Macross" attitude, but really, that has no reflection on the show itself. It was revolutionary for its time. At the same time that GI Joe had parachutes coming out of every airplane that was shot down, Robotech killed off background pilots, main pilots, and 70% of the Earth! Take THAT, Snake Eyes! (And no offense meant, darkwing_duck1
)Okay, so the anime was rewritten and protoculture was changed from the first society to an energy source. So what? Macross DYRL is a change from the Macross TV series too. Macross 7 shows flashbacks of Macross TV events that didn't happen in DYRL, but makes them look like DYRL! I don't see why the Robotech timeline can't just be another parallel Macross timeline. It's not like you can't get legal subtitled versions of all three shows now. So really, what's the harm in letting Robotech fans actually enjoy it? (No offense meant to you, Theonethatis!)
Personally, the only thing I really didn't like from Robotech was Robotech: The Movie, and there's nothing from Macross that I didn't like (although I am a little lukewarm towards Macross II and Macross Zero). The all live happily together in my little world and I'm a fan of all of them, and I welcome all fans of all of them as well. Just leave the hate at the door, please!
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I don't really get all the hate towards the show itself. I agree that Harmony Gold should lighten up on the whole "we own everything Macross" attitude, but really, that has no reflection on the show itself. It was revolutionary for its time. At the same time that GI Joe had parachutes coming out of every airplane that was shot down, Robotech killed off background pilots, main pilots, and 70% of the Earth! Take THAT, Snake Eyes! (And no offense meant, darkwing_duck1
Why would I take offense? Those are valid points. And I speak as both a Robotech fan and GI Joe fan...
Wise words my friend, but I fear you'll never sell the Macross-ists on it. Go read their thread over at Macrossworld (three previous threads are Archived, and just as bad). They have ONE thread where you can talk Robotech, and they use it as a bash-thread for anything and anyone connected with, a fan of, or who even uses the NAME Robotech.
Dude it's Macross World. It'd be like me going over to Star Wars.Com and being surprised that they are taking popshots at Trekkies. How did you not know it was "less than friendly" to Robotech fans? I've not been over there since before the launch of Frontier, and never posted cause after I lurked for a bit I knew that going in there pro both series was asking for a flamefest.
Beside Robotech purist can be just as bad, so can Trekkies, and Browncoats, etc, etc.
Beside Robotech purist can be just as bad, so can Trekkies, and Browncoats, etc, etc.
I think the Robotech hatred surprised me because I felt Robotech and Macross were both part of the same thing. If I went to TOS World, I wouldn't expect them to be violently angry at anyone who liked Voyager, because they're both Star Trek. (But I suppose even saying that is showing my naivete, lol.) Robotech came out of Macross, just as Voyager came out of TOS.
But I suppose it's different because Robotech actually rewrote the source material, which does tend to tick people off.
Well I think the rewrite is only on bit of the problem, the other issue is Harmony Gold effing over both fanbases over the years. Everything from pulled projects, to tying up the Macross series rights in the US, to just in general being dicks to their fans.
With the purist, in any fandom, there's no real reason beyond: My show good, your show sucks!
I've been a fan of Robotech and Macross for alot of years, so I made it a point to see the constituent parts of Robotech in their original form. Genesis Climber MOSPEADA is a very good anime in it's original form. In fact, without all the Reflex point/Admiral Hunter references, the show makes alot more sense. Southern Cross was the weakest of the three series, but in it's original form, it was a good story with alot of potential; it was cut short by, IIRC, 3 episodes so the ending was rushed and gave it a weak feel.
I was going to pick up the MOSPEADA DVDs a while back, but I heard that they're not that great; not much better than VHS, which seems the waste for the cost. So I'm holding out till I find them used or a better version comes out.
Keep an eye out on Ebay. I purchased my set there for $10.00 USD and they're not bootlegged. Yeah, the quality on the MOSPEADA DVDs is not that great, but they're watchable and for the $10.00, they were worth it.
darkwing_duck1
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Not Star Wars.com, it's a decent enough place....more like StarDestroyer.net (if you've ever been over there).
Doesn't excuse them...
Not really...boorishness is boorishness. MacrossWorld reminds me of nuGalactica fans in the way they treat Robotech fans (ironic since NuG is Robotech as far as the Galactica franchise is concerned)...
The MOSPEADA DVDs from ADV are as good as you're gonna get they've been digitally remastered whoever told you they were bad is wrong. If you want to see bad check out the old Robotech DVDs before they were remastered now those are worse than VHS not MOSPEADA.TheGallifreySith said:
Were they the ADV DVDs? The picture quality is superb for an obscure 25 year old animated TV show since they were digitally remastered. The old Robotech New Generation DVDs were the ones that are terrible. ADV before they name changed released a Southern Cross/MOSPEADA doublepack worth picking up if you don't have either if you can find it I think they are all oop now.AmbassadorKosh said:
We had some great Robotech discussion boards back on AOL in the mid-90's, before Robotech.com came along. There were definitely Macross purists, but we had more fun arguing between the Robotech TV purists and the McKinney fans and the comic books. Ahh, those were the days.
I don't really get all the hate towards the show itself. I agree that Harmony Gold should lighten up on the whole "we own everything Macross" attitude, but really, that has no reflection on the show itself. It was revolutionary for its time. At the same time that GI Joe had parachutes coming out of every airplane that was shot down, Robotech killed off background pilots, main pilots, and 70% of the Earth! Take THAT, Snake Eyes! (And no offense meant, darkwing_duck1
Okay, so the anime was rewritten and protoculture was changed from the first society to an energy source. So what? Macross DYRL is a change from the Macross TV series too. Macross 7 shows flashbacks of Macross TV events that didn't happen in DYRL, but makes them look like DYRL! I don't see why the Robotech timeline can't just be another parallel Macross timeline. It's not like you can't get legal subtitled versions of all three shows now. So really, what's the harm in letting Robotech fans actually enjoy it? (No offense meant to you, Theonethatis!)
Personally, the only thing I really didn't like from Robotech was Robotech: The Movie, and there's nothing from Macross that I didn't like (although I am a little lukewarm towards Macross II and Macross Zero). The all live happily together in my little world and I'm a fan of all of them, and I welcome all fans of all of them as well. Just leave the hate at the door, please!
I am not really a Macross purist. I enjoy Macross more then I do Robotech. But I was raised on Robotech so it has a special place in my heart. Same thing with Star Blazers I was raised with it, but I watch Space battleship Yamato. I just understand the Macross purist POV. There would not be this hatred towards Robotech if Harmony gold weren't such jerks. You don't see this animosity towards Voltron fans from Golion fans, At least I dont think you do? But the people who made Voltron aren't actively trying to wipe out Golion.
I do not condone the anger towards Robotech fans. And I as well wish that the both fandoms would get a long. They are pretty much the same thing in many respect's. We all like soap opera plots with variable vehicles.
darkwing_duck1
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Props to you...we need more balanced and rational fans like you, and I say that to the obsessively negative Robotech fans as well as the Macross ones. MEMO (from Robotech.com) and Seto (from Macrossworld) are two sides to the same bad penny. Both (along with their cohorts) give their respective fandoms a VERY bad name.
I respect that Robotech is their only money-maker, and to a certain extent I can understand their need to protect it. But they over-protect it.
For example: My wife and I ran an anime store when the Toynami Robotech toys came out. In our shop and on our website, we carried both the Toynami Robotech toys and some of the new import Macross toys that were being made at the time.
We received a cease-and-desist letter from Harmony Gold, telling us that only the Toynami merchandise was legal for sale in the US, and that we had to mail them all of our import merchandise. (I sent them a few VF-1A keychains that weren't selling anyway.)
Now while I do feel this was ridiculous of them (we weren't getting letters from Funimation for selling import Dragonball Z merchandise), I did feel they were at least within their rights to do it, as they do own the rights to the Macross TV series. They were pushing their own Toynami toys, and the import toys were direct competition on the same product. So I don't really hold that against them.
It's their insisting that they already own the rights to all the sequels that I feel goes beyond protective. Harmony Gold should just respect that their contract was with Tatsunoko, and that Tatsunoko wasn't involved in anything Macross after the TV series. So even if Big West is somehow bound by that contract and does have to deal exclusively with HG, then HG should renegotiate with Big West and make sure that Big West gets their fair cut.
But that's for the lawyers to work out.
Many thanks. I just wanted to emphasize there was no malice intended.
Ditto on my comment to darkwing_duck1, I just didn't want you to think my rant was in any way directed at you!
Truer words were never spoken!
It seems to me we have the makings of a friendly Robotech AND Macross forum right here!
Macross fans are going to be super pissed when the Robotech live action movie eventually gets made. Then again it may share as much in common with Robotech as it does with Macross by the time they get done with it. Expect them to boycott and go see it anyway.
But really, Macross is good, I respect people who enjoy it and I can sympathise with people who feel Harmony Gold is actively trying to discourage Macross in North America.
However, you've got to give Carl Macek credit where credit is due. Robotech was one of the first popular North American anime and a lot of current anime-lovers owe their hobbies to him and a few people like him. I also think he (his company) did a remarkable job of taking all that footage and re-writing and assembling it into what is essentially a new story with some common plot elements.
But really, Macross is good, I respect people who enjoy it and I can sympathise with people who feel Harmony Gold is actively trying to discourage Macross in North America.
However, you've got to give Carl Macek credit where credit is due. Robotech was one of the first popular North American anime and a lot of current anime-lovers owe their hobbies to him and a few people like him. I also think he (his company) did a remarkable job of taking all that footage and re-writing and assembling it into what is essentially a new story with some common plot elements.
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