Calling All Shippers! Mediation Thread

[Jenna]

Yes, you all, I am pretty laid back right now. I brought this up as a general thing, because it was starting to heat some people up and I didn't want it to explode within the main threads.

ALofEnterprise. Dude, I respect that you get frustrated by the amount of people on here who didn't like ANISB. Sometimes it can get a little irritating to go into a thread and see a bunch of "I agree and here's why" posts. However that's what this board is about. Not just "I agree" but "I agree and here is why". That's discussion, even if it is repetitive. It's late in the hiatus. Not a whole lot of new non-spoiler-related things to talk about. There are equal (if not as outspoken) numbers of people who loved ANISB and go into every thread to defend it.

It's going to get old on both sides, and when things get "old" around here, shipping seems to turn ugly.

But, it doesn't have to if we all exercise a little restraint.

 

[witchie]

Posted by ALofEnterprise2)You(generally) don't spam? What a bunch bull..sorry..weak denials...Ladies and gents(heck, everyone), just check your(generally T/Ts) thread. Hundreds of spams, especially the pictures of T/T in the shower. hahaha, not that i mind because generally A/T's people also did the same, just not to that extend. yes, please, deny more, but remember that the evidence is out there...and reachable...

If there is spamming within the T/T rage thread and no where else, why should that bother you, if you are a A/Tper? Why are you so concerned about what goes on inside that thread? I could see if T/Ters were coming into the A/T thread and spamming with pictures, but they don't. If you have a problem, take it to the Mods. Otherwise, what you're saying, IMO, is don't celebrate your ship the way you want to, do it as I want you to do. Which isn't fair in the least bit.

 

[Jenna]

Ah, and as for the spamming thing, which seems to have become the focal point of this discussion. Restating an opinion in a new thread isn't spamming. In "high-emotion" threads like ANISB where there is a great deal of polarization between "sides" restating an opinion can get annoying if you don't like that opinion, but it isn't spamming.

I've already acknowledged that the T/T thread can sometimes get a little crazy, but like I said, it's the moderators' job to keep an eye on that. They do. If you don't read it, jkladis and top41 come in there occasionally to make a comment or to keep it on track. If you DO read it, then you already know this and I don't see where the problem with spamming is.

To summarize: No one spammed in the ANISB thread. Spamming in the T/T thread has nothing to do with this.

Just so you know, I'm still laid back. This really isn't that big a deal. Just relax and I'm sure it will be worked through. This thread is supposed to be therapeutic. Let's let it be.

 

[angie]

I don't get this thread's purpose and this is not a response to witchie's comment! If this is not what I am supposed to do here I am sure someone will tell me!

I posted a comment in the Jolene slams writer's thread that is out of line. It was said because earlier in that thread at least one person posted that they hate the actress. Personal opinion ok. Then the person goes into the thread "I love Jolene" and proceeds to slam said hated actress.I find that offensive and trolling.My opinion.I also think that the people slamming Ms. Blalock are still carrying baggage from her anti T/T comments and should be adult enough to admit their perspective of these comments is colored and refrain from posting. I think if a thread is titled I love _____ the people posting in their should be allowed their fun especially given that there is a thread for debating both sides of the issue already going.Perhaps the problem is that too many people agreed with the comments who knows.

angie

 

[pookha]

just my take on the title of your thread.
if it had been just i love jolene that would have been
more recognizable as a rage thread.
but then you added in the part about love her comments.
that then made it look more like a debate thread.

now if you had just titled the thread i love jolene and then within the thread itself said i love her comments then you would have a better case that this was just a rage thread.

yes the difference is subtle but it is there.

 

[Jenna]

I don't think so. I freely admit (and have in the past) that Jolene Blalock's comments struck me the wrong way. However, I also stated in the new thread that her remarks THIS TIME were very professional and spot-on. You already know my opinion on this. Everyone already knows everyone else's opinion on everything, apparently. That's what makes it so easy to lump people into groups according to ship, and deprive them of their own minds and thoughts.

As to admiting my perspective is colored, sure. I do. However, your suggestion that I "refrain from posting" is not cool. It just isn't. In fact, I seem to remember a certain moderator making mention of the uncoolness of such comments.

I've had issues with this in the past - being told I can't post somewhere because of my views on an entirely different subject. Just because people choose to post in a controversial thread when they have a differing opinion does not make them childish.

People are going to disagree on here, it's unavoidable. We would all do well to remember that everyone here has the right to be here, and to post where they feel the urge. It all comes down to restraint, and the use of it on oneself.

 

[Hoshi's sis]

What we need to pass onto Ms. Blalock is that she can say what she wants as long as she praises the Trip character and the actor who portrays him anything else including the omission of said praise will not be tolerated if I get it straight.

You posted this comment to be scarcastic, which you were pulled on fair and square. It wasn't necessary.

The other thread you mentioned wasn't a 'Rage thread' regarding Jolene. There were comments from both sides why they loved here comments and why they didn't - clearly a discussion. You jumped on my comment with a bitchy and uncalled for aggressive remark which wasn't called for and was unnecessary. Hence you were called on it by the mod.

Maybe if your refrained from your usual scarastic tone everything would be then fine, because it seems to me your the one carrying baggage with your sarcastic attitude.

 

[dmleo]

Posted by angie:
I don't get this thread's purpose and this is not a response to witchie's comment! If this is not what I am supposed to do here I am sure someone will tell me!

I posted a comment in the Jolene slams writer's thread that is out of line. It was said because earlier in that thread at least one person posted that they hate the actress. Personal opinion ok. Then the person goes into the thread "I love Jolene" and proceeds to slam said hated actress.I find that offensive and trolling.My opinion.I also think that the people slamming Ms. Blalock are still carrying baggage from her anti T/T comments and should be adult enough to admit their perspective of these comments is colored and refrain from posting. I think if a thread is titled I love _____ the people posting in their should be allowed their fun especially given that there is a thread for debating both sides of the issue already going.Perhaps the problem is that too many people agreed with the comments who knows.

angie

I could turn your little argument around and say that the only reason you and other A/T shippers have been so enthusiastic about some of Jolene's comments is because of your dislike of Trip and the Trip/T'Pol ship. I recall that the minute news of Jolene's comemnts surfaced a bunch of A/T supporters decided to bombard the T/T shipper thread to let us know just how much Jolene hated T/T, which I thought was absolutely classless.

I'm also rather tired of reading snide remarks about T/T fans spamming. If you have a problem with the content of any thread contact a mod.

 

[angie]

just my take on the title of your thread.
if it had been just i love jolene that would have been
more recognizable as a rage thread.
but then you added in the part about love her comments.
that then made it look more like a debate thread.

now if you had just titled the thread i love jolene and then within the thread itself said i love her comments then you would have a better case that this was just a rage thread.

yes the difference is subtle but it is there.

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First of it is not "my" thread it was started by someone I don't even know. Subtle whatever the mod had already slapped my hand and said anyone can post any thoughts in any thread which is where I get confused with what trolling is I guess.But I will restate that I can admit I posted in the wrong place as far as my grievance but the comments I was given by the mod indicated I can go into all the T/T threads and post it is stupid and CT is a mediocre actor at best .So please then redefine rage thread and the "rules" as I was pretty much told they don't exist.You pookha should know this because Red Fenix changed the title of the current A/T'P thread within an hour because you said it was clearly defined as a rage thread amongst other things.I think that the I love Jolene and her comments was pretty clearly defined as being a thread for people who wanted to rally round positively the thoughts she offered in the interview.

Subtle perhaps if you are Wylie Coyote.

angie

 

[angie]

I recall that the minute news of Jolene's comemnts surfaced a bunch of A/T supporters decided to bombard the T/T shipper thread to let us know just how much Jolene hated T/T, which I thought was absolutely classless.

There are bunches of us?!?!? Where?!?! I don't think I did I didn't like her being labelled prejudiced and anti-south but I recall posting in the general threads which I am sure proof will be dragged out if I am wrong.

 

[Jenna]

It wasn't you angie however you were in the T/T thread a LOT around that time, and while none of your comments were exactly "haha", I think people are remembering them as antagonistic because of the timing.

 

[angie]

Jenna people just think I am antagonistic when I post. There were some good discussions in the one T/T thread and I enjoy good discussion so like sometimes to discuss with others besides zane and quills who have given me more understanding of the T/T perspective. I will never get it because Trip isn't interesting enough to be paired with T'pol in my opinion but I can see the why from what the boys have explained what they see. I do believe her statements were interesting in that she wasn't playing what was being seen by some and I think I did make that comment perhaps in the "wrong" place.

angie

 

[pookha]

sorry about saying the jolene thread was yours..
sigh what happens when i post some thing after being woke up by my mother with a small thing to attend too.
sigh,,

well i know some of the mods top 41 i think ( i am probably wrong about this too) has mentioned people not posting hostile stuff within each others ship threads,.

it was back in the summer but one of the mods did take someone to task for what they were posting within the a/t thread at the time and mentioned they had their own thread.

i still think making it clear that something is a rage thread and leaving each others rage/ship threads alone unless it is some interesting not hostile comment is the way to go.
but even then be careful because i think neither side feels
like they want to be challenged or jutify their ship in their own threads.



angie i think 85 percent of the stuff you have posted in the t/t threads is fine.

 

[Ulva]

The problem with these kind of discussions is the fact that the written word is a very flat one. People can react to something posted in a way you didn't mean to. The anonymity is another problem. It's so easy to forget that it's real people behind what's posted here. I for one always try and remember this when I post.

By now we should know each other well enough to give each other some slack around here. Lets respect each other, agree to disagree and enjoy our Star Trek.

Just my two cents and not aimed to anyone particular.

 

[dmleo]

Posted by angie:
Jenna people just think I am antagonistic when I post. There were some good discussions in the one T/T thread and I enjoy good discussion so like sometimes to discuss with others besides zane and quills who have given me more understanding of the T/T perspective. I will never get it because Trip isn't interesting enough to be paired with T'pol in my opinion but I can see the why from what the boys have explained what they see. I do believe her statements were interesting in that she wasn't playing what was being seen by some and I think I did make that comment perhaps in the "wrong" place.

angie

My question to you is why to you feel the need to post in the T/T rage thread when you've made it perfectly clear how much you hate the pairing? I'm being completely honest, whenever I read any of your posts in a T/T thread I immediately think that your sole purpose is to start trouble. The fact that you keep accusing T/T fans of spamming and that you keep making nasty remarks about the Trip character just adds more fuel to the fire. I think it's hypocritical to voice your dislike for a particular character or romantic pairing, then keep posting in a thread that celebrates them.

I've already stated how sorry I was that I posted on a A/T thread after Damage aired, and I have no interest in doing it again. Why? Because I don't like them as a couple and don't feel like putting a damper on anybody else's fun.

 

[witchie]

You've brought up a good point, Angie. What exactly is trolling? From what I gathered, it's purposedly going into a thread to state a negative and inflammatory opinion. Not sure if that's right or not. Maybe a Mod can come in and give us the correct definition.

I still say staying out of the rage threads is the way to go. If you (general you, not Angie) don't like what's being discussed in them, then stay out. That's what I've been doing since JB's first comments on Trip. Not interested in what she or any of the actors have to say about the show. All I care is that when the final product comes out, they've done their best. Anything else is too much information.

 

[angie]

You've brought up a good point, Angie. What exactly is trolling? From what I gathered, it's purposedly going into a thread to state a negative and inflammatory opinion. Not sure if that's right or not. Maybe a Mod can come in and give us the correct definition.

That is the way I have always interpreted it as well.

I will read threads like the T/T ones because occassionally there is some good general discussion that I can join in but I have no interest in technobabble so I avoid those threads with a to each his own shrug which is why I don't get posting what I call inflammatory remarks in a thread about an actress on professes to hate.I think CT a mediocre actor but I do not visit each new Trip and / or Connor thread to point this out because it would be stupid and a waste of my time. However were I to do so I would feel that anyone would be allowed to say hey read the title of the thread--- you are trolling.

 

[dmleo]

Posted by angie:

I think CT a mediocre actor but I do not visit each new Trip and / or Connor thread to point this out because it would be stupid and a waste of my time. However were I to do so I would feel that anyone would be allowed to say hey read the title of the thread--- you are trolling.

So, let me understand this, you are slamming people for criticizing Jolene's comments, yet feel perfectly comfortable calling Connor a "mediocre actor" and making snide remarks about his character. Talk about hypocricy.

 

[quills]

Posted by angie:

You've brought up a good point, Angie. What exactly is trolling? From what I gathered, it's purposedly going into a thread to state a negative and inflammatory opinion. Not sure if that's right or not. Maybe a Mod can come in and give us the correct definition.

That is the way I have always interpreted it as well.

I will read threads like the T/T ones because occassionally there is some good general discussion that I can join in but I have no interest in technobabble so I avoid those threads with a to each his own shrug which is why I don't get posting what I call inflammatory remarks in a thread about an actress on professes to hate.I think CT a mediocre actor but I do not visit each new Trip and / or Connor thread to point this out because it would be stupid and a waste of my time. However were I to do so I would feel that anyone would be allowed to say hey read the title of the thread--- you are trolling.

I think what it comes down to is that (with a few exceptions) most posters don't THINK they are trolling. In the same way some people don't realize what they say might give offense (particularly since different people have different sensabilities). People stroll into other threads, see something they flat out disagree with, and the need to speak up just overwhelms them. Posters can either consciously check themselves (which would probably remove the carefree attitude and spontaneity that attracts posters) or we can just have more "bitchy" threads until some mod sends the posters off to their respective corners.
At least no one has a "kill" button that will toast the person on the other end of the thread...because reactionary is the internet's middle name.
Q

 

[Ulva]

Posted by quills:

At least no one has a "kill" button that will toast the person on the other end of the thread...because reactionary is the internet's middle name.
Q

Thank god for that!!!