Cadet to Captain...NOT!!!

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or it could be they are all "acting officers". Kirk takes command of the Enterprise so he is Acting Captain, McCoy is Acting Chief Medical Officer and Scotty is Acting Chief Engineer which means both must be Acting Lt Commanders.

I'm almost certain this is the case. I also think its highly likely he doesn't keep the rank of captain past the end of the movie.

I'd be more likely to believe this if we didn't actually see all of these people in their real Starfleet uniforms *with the corresponding rank stripes*. We see McCoy wearing a blue uniform with LCDR stripes, Scotty in red (ditto), and there's even the "Buckle Up!" scene with Kirk in full uniform and rank.

 

[pookha]

but once again we dont know the context of that scene.
the one with kirk in captains stripes.
it could be a flash forward at the end of the movie.
or as i suggested earlier perhaps the movie opens up within the tos time line and kirk actually stops nero.
which is why nero goes back in time to get rid of kirk and failing that trying to stop him from becoming the person he was supposed to become.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

the one with kirk in captains stripes.
it could be a flash forward at the end of the movie.

Of course, but that would mean he *does* keep the rank of Captain past the end of the movie, unlike what Bolio was suggesting.

 

[Captain Pike]

Scotty in red

I must have missed that. I can only ever recall seeing Scotty in civies in the "I like this ship.." scene in the trailers.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Scotty in red

I must have missed that. I can only ever recall seeing Scotty in civies in the "I like this ship.." scene in the trailers.

I've also seen screengrabs of Scotty in his Starfleet uniform. It was one of the first images ever leaked from the film, AFAIK.

 

[M'Sharak]

Scotty in red

I must have missed that. I can only ever recall seeing Scotty in civies in the "I like this ship.." scene in the trailers.

I've also seen screengrabs of Scotty in his Starfleet uniform. It was one of the first images ever leaked from the film, AFAIK.

Just the one, released back in October, I think this was.

Edit:

Yep.

 

[Captain Pike]

Oh yes! I had forgotten about that.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I've seen the movie at a prescreening.

WHAT!?

 

[scotthm]

I don't really have a problem with "Cadet" or "Midshipman" Kirk taking command

I would, because that would mean that every officer in the chain of command would have to be dead, absent, or derelict in his duty, leaving a cadet in charge. That's utterly ridiculous.

Yet that was the premise of Midshipman's Hope by David Feintuch, which won the author the John W. Campbell Award for New Writer in 1996. Once again, it all boils down on how it is handled by the writer (s).

Actually, it also depends on how the reader/viewer interprets the premise.

However, I expect that if 'cadet' Kirk takes command of the Enterprise that all officers who stepped aside to allow it will be court-martialed and drummed out of Starfleet.

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[scotthm]

Its a fricking movie and if it puts people in that theatre and they like it and they are not star trek fans? Good!!! Thats what its all about!!!

That may be what it's about to you and Paramount, but that's not what it's about to me.

I don't really care if 'non Star Trek fans' like this movie. I care whether or not I'll like this movie.

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[Classic Fan]

Or it could be they are all "acting officers". Kirk takes command of the Enterprise so he is Acting Captain, McCoy is Acting Chief Medical Officer and Scotty is Acting Chief Engineer which means both must be Acting Lt Commanders.

I'm almost certain this is the case. I also think its highly likely he doesn't keep the rank of captain past the end of the movie.

I'd be more likely to believe this if we didn't actually see all of these people in their real Starfleet uniforms *with the corresponding rank stripes*. We see McCoy wearing a blue uniform with LCDR stripes, Scotty in red (ditto), and there's even the "Buckle Up!" scene with Kirk in full uniform and rank.

I have often thought about this aswel.

Maybe for some reason he has a uniform top from Pikes cabin and is posing as captain for some reason.

But as its McCoy he tells to buckle up, we can only assume for some reason he has the top on for,well, i dunno, to imerse himself in the command role for what appears to be a "no win" scenario.


Fuck it, no-one knows.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Kirk does look a bit different in the Buckle Up scene. His hair is slightly more well groomed and all the injuries to his face have healed. Suggesting that some time has indeed passed. So that could really be a flash forward.

We can only hope.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I would, because that would mean that every officer in the chain of command would have to be dead, absent, or derelict in his duty, leaving a cadet in charge. That's utterly ridiculous.

Yet that was the premise of Midshipman's Hope by David Feintuch, which won the author the John W. Campbell Award for New Writer in 1996. Once again, it all boils down on how it is handled by the writer (s).

Actually, it also depends on how the reader/viewer interprets the premise.

However, I expect that if 'cadet' Kirk takes command of the Enterprise that all officers who stepped aside to allow it will be court-martialed and drummed out of Starfleet.

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Asumming their not you know DEAD!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Brings to mind the question, where the hell is Number One when this is all going on?

 

[SalvorHardin]

Brings to mind the question, where the hell is Number One when this is all going on?

Shore leave, back on Earth having lots of sex in the Bahamas with her girlfriend.

I now declare it canon. Next...

 

[Classic Fan]

Brings to mind the question, where the hell is Number One when this is all going on?

On shore leave fracking her heart out with young Number 2 while Doctor Evil plots world domination for One... MiLLLIIIIon... Dollars.

 

[Ovation]

Here is part of what Lindelof had to tell MTV:​

When asked why Kirk was wearing black instead of the standard yellow captain’s shirt, Lindelof said that the black uniform was, in fact, a captain’s uniform — and the color was “significant” to the story surrounding this scene.

source

IF the above is correctly cited by the site, then it would appear that Kirk is ALREADY a captain (of some sort). Just throwing it out there. "ducks and runs"

 

[M'Sharak]

Here is part of what Lindelof had to tell MTV:​

When asked why Kirk was wearing black instead of the standard yellow captain’s shirt, Lindelof said that the black uniform was, in fact, a captain’s uniform — and the color was “significant” to the story surrounding this scene.

source

IF the above is correctly cited by the site, then it would appear that Kirk is ALREADY a captain (of some sort). Just throwing it out there. "ducks and runs"

Funny thing about that quote, though -- if you go to the source article cited by TrekMovie, here's what you find:

- When asked why Kirk was wearing black instead of the standard yellow captain’s shirt, Lindelof said that the black uniform is “significant” to the story surrounding this scene.

I don't know that the MTV article wasn't later revised at some point (a practice increasingly common in online news with breaking stories) but it's an interesting difference.

 

[pookha]

Brings to mind the question, where the hell is Number One when this is all going on?

well if it is a post cage time period for some of the movie then she might have been promoted ect..

 

[Timo]

Well, if we go by previous filmed Treks. Then, it has been established that Starfleet does have a medical program since Dr. Julian Bashir (DS9) graduated from Starfleet Medical Academy -- a medical school associated with Starfleet Medical and SFA.

See:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star...edical_Academy

Heh.. Another MA entry that has basically zero basis in fact.

Yeah, it's known that Bashir attended the Academy. No, it's not established that he got all his medical training from Starfleet, nor that he graduated at Lt (jg) rank. That's just guesswork. It's equally possible he gained his medical skills first, then did a period at the Academy (not necessarily four years, but perhaps much less), and then graduated at Ensign rank but, some time later (possibly years later) arrived at his requested posting on DS9 wearing the Lt (jg) pins.

Timo Saloniemi