Burning Dreams
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Ok, time for my $0.02US. Burning Dreams is a most welcome addition to the Trek Universe. My only complaint (and let's get this out of the way) is that I really don't see Captian James T. Kirk acting as giddy as a school girl upon taking the Captain's Chair of the USS Enterprise, but that's just me. I loved the rest of the novel. It even got the proper emotions working at the end. 
I'll admit it, I needed a kleenex.
The ending definately left me wanting more. For instance, does General Order 7 still exist in Picard/Sisko's time? Could you imagine what the Federation could've done (or even the Dominion) with the Talosians' powers during the Dominion War. That power of illusion is far more powerful than the holodeck (no need for holoemitters).
Also, I would like to read more Pike novels. (Or even imagine what Star Trek would've been like had we gotten that first crew. Would we still be talking about it 40 years later?) And more novels by garamet. :thumbsup:
As a huge fan of TOS/TNG/DS9 (and all of the movies except for the first attempt at a ninth film) Burning Dreams absolutely fits perfectly in the Trek Universe that we've known and loved for the past 40 years. The "Human Condition/Adventure" doesn't always need grand starship battles and voyages to tell a tale, even personal stories do the trick.
(And if my rambling made any sense, YAY! To quote one of my favorite movies, "Back off man, I'm a scientist." I'm a scientist, not a writer.
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I'll admit it, I needed a kleenex.The ending definately left me wanting more. For instance, does General Order 7 still exist in Picard/Sisko's time? Could you imagine what the Federation could've done (or even the Dominion) with the Talosians' powers during the Dominion War. That power of illusion is far more powerful than the holodeck (no need for holoemitters).
Also, I would like to read more Pike novels. (Or even imagine what Star Trek would've been like had we gotten that first crew. Would we still be talking about it 40 years later?) And more novels by garamet. :thumbsup:
As a huge fan of TOS/TNG/DS9 (and all of the movies except for the first attempt at a ninth film) Burning Dreams absolutely fits perfectly in the Trek Universe that we've known and loved for the past 40 years. The "Human Condition/Adventure" doesn't always need grand starship battles and voyages to tell a tale, even personal stories do the trick.
(And if my rambling made any sense, YAY! To quote one of my favorite movies, "Back off man, I'm a scientist." I'm a scientist, not a writer.
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my $0.02US as well.
i thought it was a good book but i'm fairly certain i didn't like it as much as a lot of the posters here. i guess my main thing is this was called the "ultimate christopher pike novel" and when i'm reading the thing i remember thinking i'm almost a third of the way through and he's still a teen-ager. there was some good stuff in there, but as a whole i didn't work as well for me as some other ST books i've read recently.
i thought it was a good book but i'm fairly certain i didn't like it as much as a lot of the posters here. i guess my main thing is this was called the "ultimate christopher pike novel" and when i'm reading the thing i remember thinking i'm almost a third of the way through and he's still a teen-ager. there was some good stuff in there, but as a whole i didn't work as well for me as some other ST books i've read recently.
It was real good! I was pleased with it.
It was really good, but I wanted so much more. Great attention and time spent on his youth and what happened on Talos, but there was so much time in the middle. I hope we get more there in a future book.
The time in the middle has already been explored in several books. While Pike had a lot of interesting missions aboard the Enterprise, they did not all influence his character, and they were not all relevant to the story that Margaret wanted to tell.
Who knows? We may get more Pike stories down the road if the sales are strong enough.
Who knows? We may get more Pike stories down the road if the sales are strong enough.
Pardon me while I channel KRAD here for a moment, but if you want more stories of Pike's time on the Ent. there are already plenty of stories. Vulcan's Glory
The Rift
The Captain's Table: Where Sea Meets Sky
Early Voyages comic books
There may be more, but those are the only ones I could find at the moment.
The Rift
The Captain's Table: Where Sea Meets Sky
Early Voyages comic books
There may be more, but those are the only ones I could find at the moment.
Oh, I know there is plenty out there to fill in the gaps, I just want more. I'm greedy.
Re: My review at Amazon.com....
**Possible Spoilers for those who haven't read it**
Well seeing as I just finished reading the book, I doubt I can comment on much of the past 9 pages of thread.
But I did browse through them...
First off, great book...great story! Loved it alot. Great to get some insights into Pike's life. The development of his character was great...and I'm glad we get to see Vina as more than the "blond bimbo" she seemed to me in The Cage. She actually has some in-depth intelligence here!
I agree with one poster above that continuously calling Number One "Number One" got a tad odd in feeling. Maybe call her "Commander" (especially by those under her) every once in a while would've made it sound more natural. The fact that she has no name, though, didn't bug me really though.
As for her character, I never really got the feeling from The Cage (or any previous book) that she would be such a hardass, as she turns out in this book? But I guess that was just my personal impression.
I really like the ending....Talos's transformation and re-birth was inspiring. I've always thought since seeing the Menagerie that just having Pike "retire" there seemed a dull ending...and MWB gives us a much more plausible outcome for the long run. I loved it!
But it's SCREAMING for a followup! Talos applying for UFP membership? Wow...how does that turn out? I'm guessing it takes a LONG time....cuz if they were in the UFP in the Dominion War, that war would've lasted only a couple of days! Just give some illusion to the Jem'Hadar and next thing you know they're flying into a star. End of problem. 
So yeah...that ending is definitely gonna need to be followed-up by somebody, eventually. *hint hint!*
Great read...highly enjoyable!
**Possible Spoilers for those who haven't read it**
Well seeing as I just finished reading the book, I doubt I can comment on much of the past 9 pages of thread.
But I did browse through them...First off, great book...great story! Loved it alot. Great to get some insights into Pike's life. The development of his character was great...and I'm glad we get to see Vina as more than the "blond bimbo" she seemed to me in The Cage. She actually has some in-depth intelligence here!
I agree with one poster above that continuously calling Number One "Number One" got a tad odd in feeling. Maybe call her "Commander" (especially by those under her) every once in a while would've made it sound more natural. The fact that she has no name, though, didn't bug me really though.
As for her character, I never really got the feeling from The Cage (or any previous book) that she would be such a hardass, as she turns out in this book? But I guess that was just my personal impression.
I really like the ending....Talos's transformation and re-birth was inspiring. I've always thought since seeing the Menagerie that just having Pike "retire" there seemed a dull ending...and MWB gives us a much more plausible outcome for the long run. I loved it!
But it's SCREAMING for a followup! Talos applying for UFP membership? Wow...how does that turn out? I'm guessing it takes a LONG time....cuz if they were in the UFP in the Dominion War, that war would've lasted only a couple of days!
Just give some illusion to the Jem'Hadar and next thing you know they're flying into a star. End of problem. So yeah...that ending is definitely gonna need to be followed-up by somebody, eventually. *hint hint!*
Great read...highly enjoyable!
No, we know he was captain of the Enterprise for over 11 years (we don't know how long he was captain before Spock joined his crew). We don't know if "five-year missions" were standard at the time, or indeed at any time. Just because the E was on a five-year tour of duty in TOS doesn't mean all Starfleet vessels are sent exclusively on tours of that duration.
Heartily seconded! Staying true to source material doesn't mean staying true to its letter. What happened during just one hour of onscreen fun is not the entire lives of the characters in miniature. It's a narrow, biased view into those lives. When we see more, we should see different more.
The name for #1 is one such thing. Another would be to show, say, Tholians using something other than webs as their weapons, and even going "Huh?" when a character asks why they don't use webs. "Why should we use a web here when our primary weapon is the nano-spear?" Steering away from stereotypes is vitally important when starting with such narrow source material.
Certainly Kirk in TMP seems to think that his five years were a unique achievement...
Still waiting for BD to hit the shelves; still wavering between buying and going by the mild spoilers here.
Timo Saloniemi
blsisko said:
You had the power of illusion, you should have used it for evil and decided on the final name for Number One.
After all "Nyota" Uhura has had at least two "official" non-canon first names, before "Nyota" was more or less decided upon.
But, see, I knew Nichelle Nichols preferred "Nyota." I've never had the opportunity to ask Majel Barrett what she prefers.
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